Tyneside Scottish

[Mike]

not good.

just had a look through Denis Wood's book to see if the design was used elsewhere, and it isn't, just this officers title, with the "flames of the grenade shaped to fit the curve of Tyneside" as he puts it.

[leigh kitchen]

Yep, so I'm assuming that it was'nt made in w/m, only in silver?

[Mike]

Wood doesn't mention any other version but "silver" as far as I can see. I assume this includes silver plated as mine is.

No chance yours just has worn plating?

Anyway, I've never seen these copied yet so I would personally still keep it.

[Neil Pearce]

I would keep it too. Can't post mine at the moment, but it looks OK to me.

Cheers, Neil

[Neil Pearce]

The grenade should be 28x27mm, according to the book

[raesherwood]

Originally Posted by Mike

Anyway, I've never seen these copied yet so I would personally still keep it.

Sorry to be the eternal party pooper Mike, but these have been reproed (see attached). Sold as and bought as, repro, at appropriate price as a 'filler' about 5 years ago. It fails the silver test and measure 27.5 x 26.5mm (so lost wax).

I promise I will respond positively one day

[Mike]

Originally Posted by raesherwood

Sorry to be the eternal party pooper Mike, but these have been reproed (see attached). Sold as and bought as, repro, at appropriate price as a 'filler' about 5 years ago. It fails the silver test and measure 27.5 x 26.5mm (so lost wax).

I promise I will respond positively one day

No problem raesherwood, I was out of the game for twenty years so I'm unaware of lots of things like this. Thanks for bringing me up to speed.

So....bad news Leigh.

[leigh kitchen]

Thanks, I would'nt have got it had I thought it was'nt of silver, the vendor's aware of the problem with this item so refund should be sorted out.

[Neil Pearce]

I have had this one for a while, and can't decide exactly what it is, or whether it's even a ringer or not.

There has been a suggestion that the same badge was issued post 1947, but I think that was marked "sterling"? Am not sure. This one has not been tested, but it does pass the "paper test". It is totally unmarked, and might even be plated? It fits the description in Dennis Woods book of the third pattern.

Any opinions please folks? My suspicions are not good..... it is quite heavy - almost twice the weight of a standard WM badge. Does this suggest silver? Even if it does, is it real?

Cheers, Neil

[CftD]

Neil - I like the reverse strike image which suggests that it should be good. It would, if silver, be private purchase and it is known that Northern Goldsmiths and Reid and Sons made such items for officers during WW2 and even after. There must have been other jewellers who would have offered the same service. I have had three of these in the past but only one hallmarked. I tend to be very suspicious of the 'sterling' marks as the item could have been made yesterday - as illustrated with many currently on ebay. In my personal opinion - and it is only an opinion - a very nice badge. David

[Neil Pearce]

These are reassuring words David, thanks. I have not seen any hallmarked ones for some time to this pattern, although quite a few variations do exist obviously. This one did come from the right neck of the woods, although that doesn't mean much nowadays

I have another non-hallmarked, but marked JRG & S. Having weighed this today, it is almost identical. I must get them both tested.

Still don't like the patina. It looks too new. I cleaned it a few years back, and it's hardly oxidised.
Regards, Neil

[2747andy]

Gentlemen,
sorry to be rather to the point, however what's the going rate for a 2 part solid/non-voided TYNESIDE SCOTTISH shoulder title? It is just the 2 parts with no numeral or backing plate, although in super condition with 2 flat diamond shapped lugs to each piece!

Many thanks

Andy

[mooke07]

Hi Andy,

I paid 75 pounds for the one in my album which is officers pattern with silver grenade. Only guidance I can give sorry, cheers Dean.

[Neil Pearce]

Hi Andy

I reckon 60 would be reasonable - there is no backing plate, however this is a valid combination title, even if no number.

Maybe a little more or less on our favourite site? I paid just over this last year at auction for mine, with backing plate.

Cheers

[2747andy]

Originally Posted by Neil Pearce

Hi Andy

I reckon 60 would be reasonable - there is no backing plate, however this is a valid combination title, even if no number.

Maybe a little more or less on our favourite site? I paid just over this last year at auction for mine, with backing plate.

Cheers

Thanks Guys,

It'll be on my Ebay site very soon!

Andy