24th Foot bandsman's badge

[ukbrits]

Hi Gents,
Picked this badge up yesterday, would appreciate any members being able to identify if this is an sleeve badge, wrist badge or maybe a cap badge worn by Bandsman of the 24th Foot. The badge is 53mm wide x 40mm tall.
Many Thanks in advance.
Colin

[grenadierguardsman]

A nice looking badge. I know nothing about it though.
Andy

[Toby Purcell]

The size and make up of the badge suggests a bandsman’s music case (aka Pouch) badge. These were unofficial and funded by the regiment’s themselves (usually from the officers’ band fund - a mandatory levy). It was not unusual for different battalions of the same regiment to have variations. See:
http://victorianwars.com/viewtopic.p...197228ef6a9de4
However, the badges were usually affixed by screw posts in order to go through the thickness of the buff leather. As for bandsman’s arm badges most battalions used the general issue badges in cloth and/or gilding metal, with some regiments, such as the Royal Dublin Fusiliers, modifying the design slightly to make it more specific.

[manchesters]

Originally Posted by Toby Purcell

The size and make up of the badge suggests a bandsman’s music case (aka Pouch) badge. These were unofficial and funded by the regiment’s themselves (usually from the officers’ band fund - a mandatory levy). It was not unusual for different battalions of the same regiment to have variations. See:
http://victorianwars.com/viewtopic.p...197228ef6a9de4
However, the badges were usually affixed by screw posts in order to go through the thickness of the buff leather. As for bandsman’s arm badges most battalions used the general issue badges in cloth and/or gilding metal, with some regiments, such as the Royal Dublin Fusiliers, modifying the design slightly to make it more specific.

Toby,

Please could you elaborate or show an example of the RDF Bandsmans badge. Also which other Regiments modified them.

regards

[Jeff Mc William]

Nice badge Colin and an interesting link Toby. Thank you both. Jeff

PS: Has anyone any idea of the date ?

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by manchesters

Toby,

Please could you elaborate or show an example of the RDF Bandsmans badge. Also which other Regiments modified them.

regards

I was surprised to see them, but they were unmistakable. They were observed on a photo of a group of young bandsmen at the regimental depot around the time of WW1. The arm badge comprised the standard gm crowned harp but with the scroll from the regimental cap badge affixed to the base. I speculate that they were probably made up locally and only worn by the bandsmen at the depot.

[manchesters]

Originally Posted by Toby Purcell

I was surprised to see them, but they were unmistakable. They were observed on a photo of a group of young bandsmen at the regimental depot around the time of WW1. The arm badge comprised the standard gm crowned harp but with the scroll from the regimental cap badge affixed to the base. I speculate that they were probably made up locally and only worn by the bandsmen at the depot.

Toby,

Thanks, I have never seen one of those, and the other Regiments you mentioned, which are they, can you recall?

regards

[grey_green_acorn]

Originally Posted by manchesters

Toby,

Thanks, I have never seen one of those, and the other Regiments you mentioned, which are they, can you recall?

regards

Simon,
Have a look at this thread.
http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ht=dublin+band

Tim

[manchesters]

Originally Posted by grey_green_acorn

Simon,
Have a look at this thread.
http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ht=dublin+band

Tim

Tim,

An interesting RDF related badge thread but doesnt answer my queery that I posed Toby regarding his statement that other Regiments adapted the standard Bandsmans Badge to Regimental arrangements.

As a keen collector of arm badges I have a wide representation of the various Pattern Bandsman's arm badges but have never seen a Regimental one, different than the norm other than the RDF that has just been discussed.

I would love to see such examples.

regards

[ukbrits]

Hi Gents,
Thanks for your opinions on the 24th of Foot badge. Just to confirm the badge is lugged and has never had screw posts to the rear.
Toby, thanks for the great link.
Many Thanks
Colin

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by manchesters

Tim,

An interesting RDF related badge thread but doesnt answer my queery that I posed Toby regarding his statement that other Regiments adapted the standard Bandsmans Badge to Regimental arrangements.

As a keen collector of arm badges I have a wide representation of the various Pattern Bandsman's arm badges but have never seen a Regimental one, different than the norm other than the RDF that has just been discussed.

I would love to see such examples.

regards

Simon, I’m sorry for the delay in my reply. You specifically asked about the RDF badge that I explained, and that you have now seen in the old thread posted separately. Like you I have not seen other examples but used the term “such as” to indicate e.g. . My description was meant to refer only to the RDF badge as an ‘example’ of a regimentally modified badge, I do not know if there were others, but it appears possible given the obscurity of the RDF example.
It seems unclear whether the 24th badge that started this thread is a pre or post 1881 badge for pouch or arm, as the old precedence numbers continued as Battalion identifiers on some items unofficially for some time, especially where 1st and 2nd battalions with differing former precedence numbers had strong previous identities.