Green Jackets Brigade Quandry

[Mike H]

Any help on this one would be much appreciated.
Ive recently bought this Green Jackets Brigade HM silver badge. HM is 1958,maker stamp is for Gaunts. So happy is 100% genuine.
Heres my quandry,it has 2 screw posts north and south. But its only the size of the cap badge rather than a crossbelt badge. I havent a clue as to its use.
Pouch badge possibly
Front on the crossbelt possibly but not for an Officer
Trial pattern possibly.

[monty]

Mike do you think that it had loops originally?,Or started out life with the bolts on?
Regards Gary

[Mike H]

My thoughts are that yes it did . Usually examples have the lugs fitted at 3 and 9 o'clock. But why do it to a silver badge ?

[Frank Kelley]

Just from the photographs, I would think that it was made like that, I certainly cannot see any sign of it ever having had silver lugs.

Originally Posted by Mike H

Any help on this one would be much appreciated.
Ive recently bought this Green Jackets Brigade HM silver badge. HM is 1958,maker stamp is for Gaunts. So happy is 100% genuine.
Heres my quandry,it has 2 screw posts north and south. But its only the size of the cap badge rather than a crossbelt badge. I havent a clue as to its use.
Pouch badge possibly
Front on the crossbelt possibly but not for an Officer
Trial pattern possibly.

[leigh kitchen]

Any chance it may be a rifles busby / shako badge?

[Toby Purcell]

I suspect it might be a SNCOs pouch belt badge. If I recall correctly the pouch belt was narrower and badge smaller than the officer equivalents.

[Mike H]

Originally Posted by Toby Purcell

I suspect it might be a SNCOs pouch belt badge. If I recall correctly the pouch belt was narrower and badge smaller than the officer equivalents.

Very possible Toby,unfortunately i cant find any photographic evidence to support the theory.It did come with a HM silver pouch badge to the Rifle Brigade(HM 1937) .
I did always wonder where the Rifles SNCOs having the smaller crossbelt badge came from.

[MBrockway]

Originally Posted by Toby Purcell

I suspect it might be a SNCOs pouch belt badge. If I recall correctly the pouch belt was narrower and badge smaller than the officer equivalents.

Current practice in The Rifles is the SNCO's cross belt width is 50mm versus the 76mm of the Officer/WO version.

The cross belt back pouch badge is the same size for both groups though.

In terms of screw length and north/south position, Mike's badge does seem to have very similar fittings to a back pouch badge - see image of the current Rifles version below - but the design seems wrong to me. I don't have much definitive material on dress regulations for the RB in the Green Jacket Brigade period, or for the RGJ, but in 1958 would the back pouch badge for the Rifle Brigade not have been the strung hunting horn?

Under current Rifles dress regulations, the SNCO's version of the badge worn on the front of the cross belt is smaller than the Officer/WO equivalent, but of the same design, and it still carries the battle honours that are missing here.

Mark

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by MBrockway

Current practice in The Rifles is the SNCO's cross belt width is 50mm versus the 76mm of the Officer/WO version.

The cross belt back pouch badge is the same size for both groups though.

In terms of screw length and north/south position, Mike's badge does seem to have very similar fittings to a back pouch badge - see image of the current Rifles version below - but the design seems wrong to me. I don't have much definitive material on dress regulations for the RB in the Green Jacket Brigade period, or for the RGJ, but in 1958 would the back pouch badge for the Rifle Brigade not have been the strung hunting horn?

Under current Rifles dress regulations, the SNCO's version of the badge worn on the front of the cross belt is smaller than the Officer/WO equivalent, but of the same design, and it still carries the battle honours that are missing here.

Mark

Mark, the issue in this context is what the 1st Battalion, Ex Oxf & Bucks LI wore. We know that KRRC and RB officers wore their own regiments badges, and probably their SNCOs too. Given your comments regarding screw posts positioned North and South, it seems to me that perhaps the subject of the thread is the pouch badge that was worn by the Oxf & Bucks LI battalion, i.e. the 1st Battalion of the Green Jackets Bde, who were required for the first time in their history to wear rifle green and associated regalia (they had previously been scarlet clad so it was a big change for them).

[Mike H]

Originally Posted by leigh kitchen

Any chance it may be a rifles busby / shako badge?

I think it maybe a bit big for the busby Leigh.

[leigh kitchen]

Originally Posted by Mike H

I think it maybe a bit big for the busby Leigh.

I think it's unlikely that it was worn on the Busby, though some rifle regiments have worn cap badge sized badges.

[Mike H]

Originally Posted by leigh kitchen

I think it's unlikely that it was worn on the Busby, though some rifle regiments have worn cap badge sized badges.

Definately ,problem is finding images that support the theories .
The length of the screws suggests to me pouch or crossbelt rather than wbc or similar.