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[QUOTE=grumpy;234683]Graham why do you say "and the unusual pattern of SD uniform", I think this is not SD post 1902 surely?
Regarding cyclists, a little-known order around 1900 allowed soldiers a Cycling uniform, usually blue - patrol style frock and blue pantaloons with puttees. This morphed, I believe, into the private-purchase [and sometimes unit-purchase] blue patrols, with distinctive high collar, collar badges, and shaped breast pockets. See more, from my notes: I realise it's not the universal pattern of 1902, but appears to be a campaign SD of an unusual pattern - with no breast pockets. It doesn't appear to be KD, which was of a light weight material. The turn of the century throws up unusual patterns of SD, particularly during the South African War and in many cases no two units seem to wear the same pattern. It's a minefield and probably the reason for a 'universal' pattern of SD in 1902. As for Cyclists - again no two units appear to wear the same, especially among Volunteer Cyclist Companies - as shown in the photos from S.O.T.Q.. If I remember correctly 3rd V.B., N.F. Cyclist Companies wore khaki from the beginning and at no time wore any form of blue's - nor did Cyclist Companies from V.B.'s Durham L.I.. So the Order you mention was not universally adhered too outside of the Regular's or probably within it. |
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Looking in Churchill's collar badge book he mentions the Welsh cyclist Bn wore the Mons style collar dragons in gilding metal (1908) before they changed over to the blackened type with the introduction of their rifle green tunic (1912?).
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By a strange coincidence I found another pic which appears to have one of the same group in it, but on his own.
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Detail of the collar dragons.
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Great pictures. Personally, I think that they are Welsh Regt VB cyclists.
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Thanks. I also tend to think that Welsh regiment cyclists are most likely, and perhaps they may be VB rather than TF, the latter who wore blackened collars from 1912 but wore this type from their formation in 1908 until then.
It was good to reunite this picture with the other one. Perhaps more are out there of these fellows to be found.
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Welsh Regiment cyclists were a rifle battalion and wore appropriate buttons, collar badges and cap badges.
This is basic stuff chaps. |
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If not cyclists, then what? A VB of the Welsh? Why the lanyard? Circa 1885-1902?
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Good evening
Collars (tail up at that angle) are for the 2nd or 3rd VB The Welsh. Ta |
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This type?
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Thanks John,
That's a couple I can tick off the list. Hwyl, Kevin |
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Personally I feel that the evidence is strong that they are indeed cyclists.
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