Hate seeing this - good $$$ paid for a dud!

[slick_mick]

I hate seeing people pay good money for what to me is an obviously cast reproduction badge.

I hope it wasn't a forum member.

eBay - 2nd Armoured Car Regiment hat badge

Mick

[Drummajor]

I agree Mick, it's so very obviously a fake. $177!!?? What!!

Phil

[rhodesianmilitaria]

With the amount of correct advice one can get today from some forums or individuals the chances of getting caught out surely must be limited.
As well with the plethora of fakes on the market today shouldn't it be easier to tell what is dinkum and what is not?
I think the fault lies with the buyer a lot of the times because of impatience, ignorance, wrong information or just plain gullible.

[ubervamp]

Originally Posted by rhodesianmilitaria

With the amount of correct advice one can get today from some forums or individuals the chances of getting caught out surely must be limited.

Limited by what? It's limited only by what information any given individual is able to access, gather or is proffered by others "in the know".

[/QUOTE]As well with the plethora of fakes on the market today shouldn't it be easier to tell what is dinkum and what is not?[/QUOTE]

I know of several collectors of 30 years+ who have been caught out, and only realised when the badge was in hand. if they can be duped, so can we all.

[/QUOTE]I think the fault lies with the buyer a lot of the times because of impatience, ignorance, wrong information or just plain gullible.[/QUOTE]

I don't think wrong information is the fault of the buyer if the information is had from a reliable source. As for ignorance, impatience and gullibility, well...that pretty much sums up any novice collector. So basically, what you're saying is don't buy anything until you've gained knowledge by learning (without buying), patience (don't buy until you know it's good, which according to this set of criteria could take a while), and don't be gullible (i.e. sellers can state what they want, it's your fault if you believe them)

If a seller sells me something as "genuine" and it's not - I'm going to call him out on it. Even if I didn't know a badge from my elbow, if someone knowingly sells me a badge under false pretences, it's fraud. Yes, it could have been avoided if I knew more about the badge in question but that does not redeem the seller. Of course, sometimes sellers make honest mistakes - no prob. But even then, at best, is it a shared matter of "fault". And any seller worth his salt will accept a refund.


Colin

[rhodesianmilitaria]

LOL thanks for misinterpreting most of what I have said. You should take a Bex and have a good lie down Colin.

[ubervamp]

Originally Posted by rhodesianmilitaria

LOL thanks for misinterpreting most of what I have said. You should take a Bex and have a good lie down Colin.

With regards to interpretation, I read what I read, and I claim artistic licence
No need to get personal!

Peace and love

Colin

[ubervamp]

Ps. I might be wrong (it happens), but going out on a limb I'd say Rhodesian Parachute Jump Instructors
medals might not be as faked as 17th Lancers, and are, perhaps, easier to spot?
If that's the case, I should seriously consider collecting to them, seeing as I'm gullible and ill-informed.
And I would have the luxury of only myself to blame if I got a "bad one", given the plethora of forthcoming and available information on them. I can't depend on sellers to know their wares.
From now on I think I shall only collect to the Rhodesian Parachute Jump Instructor and shall repeatedly punch myself in the face when I get a dud, because I should have known better.

Peace and love

Colin

[rhodesianmilitaria]

Yeah it's easy, not many wings at all and that's not all of them. Knock yourself out and learn this lot, that's why Rhodesian is so easy to collect.

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Now tell me how many PJI's there were between 1961-1980, what the stampings should look like on the medals, how do you know they're a medal to a PJI when the list of PJI's is unpublished and no units or regiments are shown on the medals themselves, etc etc etc.
Yep! Collecting Rhodesian is easy.
ROFL.

[ubervamp]

Originally Posted by rhodesianmilitaria

Yeah it's easy, not many wings at all and that's not all of them. Knock yourself out and learn this lot, that's why Rhodesian is so easy to collect.

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Now tell me how many PJI's there were between 1961-1980, what the stampings should look like on the medals, how do you know they're a medal to a PJI when the list of PJI's is unpublished and no units or regiments are shown on the medals themselves, etc etc etc.
Yep! Collecting Rhodesian is easy.
ROFL.

Oh, it's too much! Point taken!
But this verifies my initial statement that it's hard, especially for a newbie, to know all this and make knowlegable assesments of wares for sale, especially if the seller is dubiois.
It's a hobby which requires knowledge, commitment, and study, no doubt, whatever one's field. No disrespect was ever meant. My only qualm is with shady dealers who prey on less knowledgable collectors.

I recant - this is a hobby that, taken seriously, no matter what one collects to, requires study, references, guidance and knowledge. No slur intended on collecting Rhodesian.

I still think shady dealers suck. And not many new collectors have the knowledge you obviously have, through years of experience. That's where the forum can be of service.
Never any
disrespect intended.

Be calm and collect badges

Take care

Peace out

Colin

Ps . Bex and a cuppa go a long way

[rhodesianmilitaria]

Originally Posted by ubervamp

I still think shady dealers suck. And not many new collectors have the knowledge you obviously have, through years of experience. That's where the forum can be of service.
Never any
disrespect intended.

None taken. I also think shady dealers suck that's why for 8 years I had a website with a large number of pages dealing with that exact topic and the sellers and dealers who knowingly ripped people off.

[wright241]

Originally Posted by rhodesianmilitaria

None taken. I also think shady dealers suck that's why for 8 years I had a website with a large number of pages dealing with that exact topic and the sellers and dealers who knowingly ripped people off.

Peter,
Ref your web site with regard to comments on out and out con artists and shady dealers. Excellent and a very good read and it stopped me a couple of times. Many thanks for your time and effort.
Strangely, I wish there was one dealing with UK based dealers who do a rip-off business in the same way.... Can't argue with a 100% feedback score though can we..?
Again, well done Peter and I hope all is well.
David

[rhodesianmilitaria]

Life is well thank you David.

There are numerous responses when you out sellers or dealers who do the wrong thing from:

• They don't respond.
• They respond by arguing their case which tries and shows that I am wrong.
• They respond by being verbally aggressive with everything from threatening physical harm to suing me.

The suing one is the tricky one especially if the dealer is in the same country but also depending on that country's laws. It's one of the more common forms of verbal attack from a bad dealer because it will stop most people from continuing their criticism of that dealer. However for me there was a number of ways around it and I went and got legal advice so I knew what I was doing inside the law.

A large number of fake items that I displayed on the site were created by Andrew Butler. One of the classics was that at one stage he was selling what was clearly a copy as a copy but stated on the ebay listing that even I thought his copy was close to the real thing.
While I never liked what he did I thought that was pretty funny.