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translation, help needed, armoured unit plate
Hello
can you translate this, please ? I think it's from Saoudia Arabia thanks for answers cordially Didier |
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Sorry, can't help you with the translation. However, the badge design in the centre is Egyptian. Hope this helps.
Ian B |
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Sorry to disagree with Ian but........I would say Royal Jordanian because of the Hashemite Crown.......
Jo
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The badge says "Victory or Death" on the lower scroll.
The red scroll reads: Al kuwat al arabiya al saudiya al musalaha : the Arabian Saudi Armed Forces (not Saudi Arabian, but Arabian Saudi for some reason) and then under that it says "Silah al mudara'at" - Armoured weapons) Eddie |
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Egyptian vs. Saudi Arabian
I initially said the plaque was Egyptian as the only reference book I have on Mid-East badges is Otto von Pivak's, "Armies of the Middle East" (Mayflower Books, New York, 1979).
In the section on the Egyptian Army is a line drawing that is remarkably similar to the badge seen in the centre of the plaque above. It is described as follows -- "Armour: A winged horse, two lances and a tank, green facing [badge is worn as a collar badge]). When I saw the pictures above, I remembered seeing that drawing and looked it up in the book. However, I looked no further before I posted my reply. After Eddie's post, I went back and checked further. There, in the section on the Saudi Arabian army, is a description of the Saudi Armoured's regimental badge -- "Armour: Within a crowned laurel wreath, over a scroll, the hull of a tank, rising from it a rearing winged horse before two lances with a scroll stretched between them bearing 'Alforsan' (Horses). The lower scroll bears 'Alnasr ua Almaut' (Victory or Death)." So, based on this I must change my opinion and agree with the others that this is Saudi. What I find fascinating is that both countries badges for the Armoured are so similar. It's funny how after all these years, I remembered that line drawing better than the written descriptions of the badges. Oh well!! Stay safe and have fun. Cheers, Ian |
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There is no doubt at all that this is a Saudi plaque. After all not only does it say so but the device at the top is the standard Saudi cap badge.
Nor is is too surprising that the badge bares a similarity to Egypt since the army of service collar badge it is based on was designed and made in the UAR and later Egypt for the Saudis. Many badges in that part of the world and particular Egypt, Syria, Iraq and Yemen are based on similar symbology much as the fuzed grenade is widely recognised as an artillery or engineer symbol in the West and alsoused by the Saudis, Egyptians Jordanians etc. The collar badge design was worn in the 1960s (cast and Syrian made) and 1970s (die stamped and Egyptian made). Eddie |
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Hello Gentlemen
thanks a lot for your help cordially Didier |
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