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Old 17-02-08, 10:29 PM
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I have always wondered about the dating of this badge. The QOR pattern hasn't changed much and I would like to know any tips as to when these badges were issued. Thanks Jim
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I'm surprised there are no Queens Own Rifles experts out there!!
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Hi Jim, I'm not really surprised at the lack of reply to this topic. Sooner or later the mystery will be solved. I have a badge in my collection that appears to be identical to this one. It is a very light weight metal and the number 2 appears it may have been red at one time.

I have shown it a few times on the show circuit without any definite answer as to era of issue or wear.
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OK lads, I am looking to date the era of this QOR badge I have. It is stamped in a very light weight metal, aluminum? Although it is very strong.

It is non-magnetic and appears to have had red paint at one time on the numeral 2. Any ideas lads, or is more information needed?

What led me to inquire about this badge is the following eBay auction. It is listed as WWII, which IMO it is clearly not. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA:IT&ih=015
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Cliff, my understanding of the QOR badges is that this badge was the glengarry badge, probably pre-WW1.
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Old 04-08-08, 03:51 AM
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Glad to see you posted your copy of this badge... i suppose it was the one you were refering to when I posted mine (about 4 pages back). Am glad Bill has I.D.ed it as pre WW1 as my feel for this badge was always that it was an older version. I would appreciate any help on dating these badges as i find them difficult as the pattern is consistent.... metal changes, lug construction and changes etc.... thanks again.... Jim
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MAZEAS dates that circa 1870
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Old 04-08-08, 12:09 PM
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Mazeas identifies the QOR badge without the "OF CANADA" as the 1870 pattern. Cliff's badge is the pattern with the "OF CANADA" which is undated in Mazeas. There are many more varieties of QOR badges than listed in Mazeas. Various die stampings, different sizes, etc than documented by Mazeas. The QOR is one of the most difficult regiments to establish the provenance and history of their badges.
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Glad to see you posted your copy of this badge... i suppose it was the one you were refering to when I posted mine (about 4 pages back). Am glad Bill has I.D.ed it as pre WW1 as my feel for this badge was always that it was an older version. I would appreciate any help on dating these badges as i find them difficult as the pattern is consistent.... metal changes, lug construction and changes etc.... thanks again.... Jim
Hello Jim, yes it the badge I was referring to in your topic. Had I recalled the topic, I would have added my badge and comments there, instead of starting a new topic. Maybe Bill A can merge the two topics?

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...read.php?t=634

Working off the information I have been given here by Bill and Paul, I checked the linage of the QOR and found that the Regiment officially became 2nd Battalion Queen's Own Rifles of Canada in 1882. This may help narrow the date down a bit more.

I do not have the references Bill and Paul are referring to, I only have Mazeas book for 1920-1950 badges.

Bill you said the 1870 pattern is without the words "OF CANADA" which would make sense as there name at that time was officially 2nd Bn Queen's Own Rifles of Toronto (as of 1863).

This is a great discussion that has really narrowed down the date of this badge. If possible, lets keep this going until its narrowed further.


footnote: the dates and Regimental titles above are form the Regiment site.
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Cliff, Here is the respective page of Mazeas Pre-1914 badges. Caveat emptor. There are many more QOR badges than catalogued.
Jim, What are the dimensions of your badge? And, is it a light weight white metal, or a heavier white metal? (I understand that this is a very relative question, but the early QOR white metal badges were made from a very thin planchette, and later ones were much thicker.)
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Just to add fuel to the fire. The two photos show Maj. Jarvis, circa 1880 wearing the QOR Glengarry with 'bright' badge. The small photo of a QOR Glengarry, circa 1900, is from my collection. The badge is not 'bright'.
This runs counter to a letter I located at Archives dated sometime in the 1880s (I don't have it handy) where the QOR defend, to Militia District Headquarters, their choice of a chromed badge as necessary to attract recruits.

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Bill, I know you asked JimA the measurements of his badge, however I still have mine out. I have attached the previous photo of mine with the measurements. This badge is very light-weight and is non magnetic.

Mr. Law sir, if you are so interested, maybe a hands on inspection would be good for you?
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Mr. Law sir, if you are so interested, maybe a hands on inspection would be good for you?
Cliff,
When you start calling me Mr. Law I feel that I should hide my wallet I bow to Bill and Dwayne on badges. My skill (?) lies in having a large photo library and from independent research at LAC - and you know that place as well as I.

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Old 04-08-08, 08:33 PM
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Cliff, that measurement is the same as the smaller QOR badge, middle row, right side of the page. It is the undated one.
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