possibly british ?

[Just]

Hello

what is this cap badge ?

thanks for answers
cordially
Didier

[POMPEY621]

13th COUNTY OF LONDON ( KENSINGTON RIFLES)

Steve

[leigh kitchen]

13th County of London's, the Kensington Rifles.

Edit: beaten to it, that's what you get for taking the time for a swig of beer before you post.......

[Just]

Hello Gentlemen

many thanks for this quick answer !!

Didier

[Luke H]

Not intending to split hairs but they didn’t have rifles in their title, simply ‘Kensington Battalion’.

Cheers,
Luke

[leigh kitchen]

Shows that I shouldn't have drunk beer before posting. "Rifles" lost in 1908, wasn't it?

[Just]

Hello

which period for this badge ? WW2 ?

Didier

[BWEF]

I will leave comment on the badge to the experts.

What I can say is that the Kensingtons formed the Divisional Machine Battalion for two Infantry Divisions.

The 78th Infantry Division that fought in Africa and Italy and the 49th (West Riding) Infantry Division that fought in NW Europe.

https://vickersmg.blog/in-use/britis...gton-regiment/

[Hoot]

Originally Posted by Just

Hello

which period for this badge ? WW2 ?

Didier

1908-1968.

[Wmr-RHB]

Originally Posted by Hoot

1908-1968.

The designations from 1908 on were:

1908:
13th (County of London) Battalion,
The London Regiment (Kensington) (TF)

1914:
13th (County of London) Princess Louise's Kensington Battalion,
The London Regiment (TF)

1920:
13th (County of London) Princess Louise's Kensington Battalion,
The London Regiment (TA)

1922:
13th London Regiment (Princess Louise's Kensington Regiment) (TA)

1937:
Princess Louise's Kensington Regiment,
The Middlesex Regiment (Duke of Cambridge's Own) (TA)

1939 on the doubling of the TA they became 1st Battalion, Princess ..... and 2nd Battalion, Princess ... And this explains why they were on two places at the same time as BWEF mentioned.

1947:
GHQ Signals Reporting Regiment (Princess Louise's Kensington Regiment),
Royal Signals (TA)

1950:
Army Phantom Regiment,
Royal Signals (Princess Louise's Kensington Regiment) (TA)

1956:
Princess Louise's Kensington Regiment,
Royal Signals (TA)

1961:
41st Signal Regiment,
Royal Signals (Princess Louise's Kensington Regiment) (TA)

1967: disbanded as the whole TA and formed a TVAR II unit:
41st (Princess Louise's Kensington) Signal Squadron,
31st (Greater London) Signal Regiment,
Royal Signals (Volunteers)

From then on I have no information. Really an interesting usint with a colourful history.

[Jelly Terror]

Originally Posted by Luke H

Not intending to split hairs but they didn’t have rifles in their title, simply ‘Kensington Battalion’.

Cheers,
Luke

Luke is spot on here.

By Army Order 408, of 1st October 1914, designation of the regiment was changed from ‘13th (County of London) Battalion, The London Regiment (Kensington)' to ‘13th (County of London) princess Louise’s Kensington Battalion, The London Regiment’.

Almost two months prior, a letter to the War Office from Buckingham Palace (dated 10th August 1914, and signed by 1st Baron Stamfordham) stipulated that the King had been asked by Princess Louise, the Duchess of Argyll, whether permission could be granted to the regiment to bear Her Royal Highness’ name, as she and the late Duke of Argyll, had been much interested in the regiment for may years. The letter went on to say that the King had no objection to this request, if it was to be recommended by the Secretary of State. However, the proposed ‘new’ name detailed in the letter was ‘13th Battalion of the London Regiment, Princess Louise’s Kensington Rifles’.

Unhappy about the word ‘Rifles’ being added to the regiment’s designation (because the battalion would then lose the privilege of bearing Colours) the Commanding Officer of the regiment wrote to the War Office later that same month stating the title most preferred by the unit would be ‘13th (County of London) Battalion, The London Regiment (Princess Louise’s Own Kensingtons)’ and asking that authority be given accordingly. A few days later, the Army Council replied by saying that the request could not be acceded to. The title that was suggested by the Army Council in place of its initial suggestion was ‘13th (County of London) Princess Louise’s Battalion, The London Regiment (Kensington)’. This however did not dishearten the regiment’s CO, and he replied to the War Office asking that the Army Council reconsider their decision, since the name he had submitted had, apparently, previously been approved by Princess Louise herself, and stated that his request was in accordance with precedence existing in the case of the ‘15th Battalion, The London Regiment, Prince of Wales Civil Service Rifles’.

He added that if his original proposal could not be approved, could the new designation then be ‘13th (County of London) Princess Louise’s Kensington Battalion, The London Regiment’, which he said would be much preferred to the title proposed in the War Office’s previous missive.

By early-September, the King had approved the decision for the regiment not to be designated as a Rifles battalion, and in a letter of 9th October 1914, the Inspector of Regimental Colours, at the Royal College of Arms, had been duly informed of the Army Order of 1st October 1914, promulgating the change in designation to ‘13th (County of London) Princess Louise’s Kensington Battalion, The London Regiment’.

Out of interest, I do own a sweetheart to this regiment which bears the erroneous ‘Rifles’ designation. I have only ever seen one other, and would therefore be very interested to know if other examples exist in members' collections.

Regards to all,

JT

[Wmr-RHB]

Good background story to go with the designation change of 1914. Thank you.

Most of the other changes are in line with what happened to the other battalions of the London Regiment, but this one is an "extra" and it is nice to see how much discussion it threw up.

[Just]

Hello Gentlemen

Thank you for your very complete explanations !!

Didier