British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum
ebay
'Badges/Patches' 'Militaria, Badges'    Medals

 Military Badges

 All British  WW1  WW2 WW1   WW2

Go Back   British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum > Australian Military Insignia > General Topics

 Other Pages: Galleries, Links etc.
Glossary  Books by Forum Members     Canadian Pre 1914    CEF    CEF Badge Inscriptions   Canadian post 1920     Canadian post 1953     British Cavalry Badges     Makers' Marks    Pipers' Badges  Canadian Cloth Titles  Books
 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 13-09-17, 10:42 PM
Captain Starlight Captain Starlight is offline
New Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 8
Default WWII Badge ID

Can someone please identify this badge for me. It is on the right sleeve of a WWII dress tunic. Wearer was RAE if that helps.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg WWII Aust army badge.JPG (100.9 KB, 73 views)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 14-09-17, 03:26 AM
kingsley kingsley is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 414
Default

RAA, artillery surveyor sleeve badge, unfortunately broken at the top. There are companion badges with G (gunner),R (rangefinder) and L (layer) in Gothic letters.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 14-09-17, 08:26 AM
Captain Starlight Captain Starlight is offline
New Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 8
Default

Hi Kingsley, the badge has no evidence of being broken at the top. Why would a sapper wear a RAA badge?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 14-09-17, 08:48 AM
POMPEY621's Avatar
POMPEY621 POMPEY621 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 41
Default

Digger History has the exact same badge, unidentified possibly a "D"

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-badges/trade2.htm

Steve
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 15-09-17, 01:10 AM
Captain Starlight Captain Starlight is offline
New Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 8
Default

Interesting. The badge I have has even sized wreaths on each side unlike the badge on diggerhistory. Otherwise it is identical. It was my father's badge. He was in RAE, initially as Group III Tinsmith but upgraded (presumably on proof of trade certificate) to Group I Plumber. So I assume it is a trade badge.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 16-09-17, 04:05 AM
vigilans's Avatar
vigilans vigilans is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 123
Default

"S" for Surveyors trade badge, with top broken off as mentioned before....sorry pic upside down
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 2017-09-16 001.jpg (45.2 KB, 12 views)
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 16-09-17, 05:17 AM
fairlie63's Avatar
fairlie63 fairlie63 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Claremont, Tasmania
Posts: 588
Default

The badge is a broken S in wreath as previous posters have noted.

The metal S in wreath was a skill-at-arms badge for qualified surveyors, flash-spotters and sound-rangers of artillery survey units RAA(M), and battery surveyors RAA or RAA(M), and was introduced in brass in 1931, becoming available for issue in 1932. It was worn on the left forearm only by those so qualified.

The blackened badge suggests post December 1939, skill-at-arms competitions ceased to be held in 1941.

Trade badges were worn on the right arm above chevrons, or on the right forearm below the badge of rank by warrant officers. These ceased to appear in War Scales of Clothing and Necessaries in 1942, and were not listed in various General Routine Orders of 1943, 1945 and 1947 listing badges of rank and appointment that were to be worn by other ranks.

It would be wholly implausible for a tinsmith or plumber to wear the S in wreath - the trade badge for a tinsmith and whitesmith, or a plumber and gasfitter, who qualified annually prior to the Second World War as an Artificer - Field Engineer RAE or RAE(M), was a grenade, "...similar to that mentioned in SOs for Dress 1935, para 290(c)...".

Keith
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 16-09-17, 05:19 AM
fairlie63's Avatar
fairlie63 fairlie63 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Claremont, Tasmania
Posts: 588
Default

Perhaps the individual wearing it broke it deliberately so the result looked like the flame from his gas torch?
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 10:21 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.