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28-12-17, 07:22 PM
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Sealed Pattern No.s
Where do i need to go, and what do i need to ask for ? With reference sealed patterns no.s to the Grenadier Guards.
Andy
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28-12-17, 09:15 PM
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Sorry, Andy - I have only just got back home. Basically the lists of SPs are at the NA - though the IWM or NAM have the actual cards / items ( or poss the Gds Mus).
I'll get back to you as soon as my brain has caught up ! best wishes, J
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28-12-17, 10:16 PM
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Andy
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28-01-18, 06:52 PM
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Bump.
Andy
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28-01-18, 07:41 PM
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Andy, here is what I've found for Gren Gds at the NA Kew.
These are the entries in the Royal Army Clothing Department, Records of Changes. ref is WO 359 then volume numbers Staff cap badges NA WO/359/15, p15, Patt 1168A/1903, 05.10.1903 Sergeants and Bandsmen cap badges GRV NA, WO/359/15, p73, Patt 7235/1910, 23.09.1910 GRVI NA, WO/359/19, p59, Patt 11126/1937, 30.09.1937 R&F and Drummers cap badges NA WO/359/5, p16, Patt 1170/1887, 18.08.1887 NA WO/359/,9, p16, Patt 1170A/1897, 31.08.1897 NA WO/359/18, p.104, Patt 4117/1924, 18.021924 Staff cap badges NA WO/359/15, p15, Patt 1168A/1903, 05.10.1903 Sergeants and Bandsmen cap badges GRV NA, WO/359/15, p73, Patt 7235/1910, 23.09.1910 GRVI NA, WO/359/19, p59, Patt 11126/1937, 30.09.1937 R&F and Drummers cap badges NA WO/359/5, p16, Patt 1170/1887, 18.08.1887 NA WO/359/,9, p16, Patt 1170A/1897, 31.08.1897 NA WO/359/18, p.104, Patt 4117/1924, 18.021924 These are not the badges themselves but the authorisation, Patt number and probably a description. The actual Pattern Cards with badge examples attached will be at NAM or IWM - or perhaps at the Gds Museum. I'm afraid I don't know much about guards badges - they are diffrerent to infantry of the line badges - but the Patt nos at least ought to be useful when you contact whichever museum. Last edited by KLR; 28-01-18 at 07:49 PM.
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28-01-18, 08:42 PM
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Andy
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Leave to carry on Sir please.
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28-01-18, 08:53 PM
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Grenadier Guards Sealed Patterns
Andy,
I am sure you have spotted that there are 3 different Patterns for the R&F (Rank & File) and Drummers cap badges as shown in Julian's post: NA WO/359/5, p16, Patt 1170/1887, 18.08.1887 NA WO/359/,9, p16, Patt 1170A/1897, 31.08.1897 NA WO/359/18, p.104, Patt 4117/1924, 18.021924 This may perhaps explain the variations in the number of flames between 1887 and now as the current issue badge is (still) Pattern 4117 of 1924. See the attached JSP768 extract. Of course there are new Pattern Numbers for the EIIR cipher versions of the other badges. Tim
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28-01-18, 08:57 PM
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Andy
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Leave to carry on Sir please.
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28-01-18, 09:17 PM
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Unless things have changed, i'll have to get in touch with the Searnt Major in Battalion. Andy  Ps As "Battalion Staff" would include the Pioneer Sgt.
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28-01-18, 10:34 PM
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Indeed the descriptions in JSP768 are riddled with anomalies and inaccuracies. Even some of the illustrations show the wrong item! Tim
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28-01-18, 10:38 PM
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Andy
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Leave to carry on Sir please.
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#12
29-01-18, 06:48 AM
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I meant to sadd that the RACD ledgers finish in about 1939 when provision was taken over by the Ministry of Sipplies. the NA also have their ledgers - cap badges supplied between 1939 and 1946 (there is another of plastic badges) which details every contract, per Patt no with maker and quantities. But I'm afraid I only looked up King's material when i was last there.
Post-war, there are the various CNNs List of Changes etc etc etc (a bit too modern for me !). Anyway, I hope the RACD details are of some help - perhaps as a starting point. J
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29-01-18, 07:48 PM
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Thanks for that KLR.
Andy
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