Info sought on Lancashire Fusiliers Officers badges

[arrestingu]

Hi
Can anyone kindly advise on the Officers cap badge I am unable to locate another example with similar shaped flame.
Thanks Steve

[Alex Rice]

This is the only pattern I have ever seen, no idea what that is for.
Cheers,
Alex

[cbuehler]

I am not sure that is an officer badge, whatever it is. The grenade was not gilded and the sphinx not silvered by appearances.

CB

[Luke H]

Looks very similar to the one Cultman sold on eBay a few months ago.

An interesting badge, no idea what it was then or now, sadly.

Be surprised if it’s officers.

[grenadierguardsman]

The large grenade, on its own is always being attributed to the Grenadier Guards, wrongly I'll add.
Andy

[red rags]

If you check out Fusilier regiments officers cloak clasps they all used the 'Grenadier Guards' badge without embellishment on either side of the chain, all in gilt.

Band pouch badge is my guess...all Regt's have anomalous badges to the chagrin of many collectors...I think it adds colour, you can't beat a bazar cast badge.

[grenadierguardsman]

Just put " Fusilier regiments officers cloak clasps " in the google search box, and went on to images, and saw none.....lol
Andy

[mooke07]

Among the many different patterns of the grenade badges of the Northumberland Fusiliers in Wood’s book there are a number with similar wide flames including from memory a bandsman’s issue so could that be the case for the Lancashire Fusiliers. I too doubt that it is an Officer’s badge.

Cheers Dean

[matti467]

Just chatting with Steve in Blaby Antiques Centre about this.
I like the bandsman badge theory.
The Glengarry theory holds water as does the manufacturers error/trial piece.

[matti467]

Just chatting with Steve in Blaby Antiques Centre about this.
I like the bandsman badge theory.
The Glengarry theory holds water as does the manufacturers error/trial piece.

[Toby Purcell]

Big flames were popular on belt plates, both shoulder and waist. The lugs are too shallow for a band pouch badge, which usually had screw posts. The Lancashire Fusiliers drummers had a tradition unique among fusilier regiment drummers of wearing a badge on a brass plate attached to their drum suspension belts positioned near the right shoulder at front, initially using old glengarry badges for that purpose.

My guess is that there might have been a battalion and period that utilised that badge for the same purpose as a variant to the old glengarry badge. The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers adopted that tradition after 1968, although I don’t know if all four of the original battalion’s did so. I suspect that when 4 RRF was reduced it might have been carried across.

However, I might be mixing it up with the Northumberland Fusiliers, as there are several images of LF drummers without such badges. Forum member Leigh Kitchen should be able to confirm?

NB. Either way, the shortness of the lugs limit the badges usage to either a plate or cloth of some kind I think. The positioning of the loops is commensurate with a rectangular backing plate worn in a vertical, or diagonal orientation.

[Toby Purcell]

Having followed up I see it was the Northumberland Fusiliers, so my theory is knocked back to square one. Given the size and design I still believe though that a belt plate backing was the most likely.

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by grenadierguardsman

Just put " Fusilier regiments officers cloak clasps " in the google search box, and went on to images, and saw none.....lol
Andy

They would just have purchased the GG pattern Andy, so there wasn’t, in a sense, any such thing as the description you searched. With no diffential element to the clasp itself, from a nomenclature perspective there was no such beast as a “fusilier regiments cloak clasp”. I know you’ll understand what I mean.