Helmet Plate centres K&K

[Tweed]

Gentlemen
I want to add that my K&K book arrived today and I’m very pleased with it!
However one of the first badges I looked at is a restrike!
I will show the original flaw below one leaf and the photo that has two or more flaws which is a restrike !
Kind regards Chay

[Sonofacqms]

Chay, does it say in K&K that it's a restrike?

Rob

[Tweed]

Hi Rob,
No I just double checked !
Kind regards Chay

[manchesters]

I dont understand??????

[Tweed]

Simon,
The first two photos are undisputed originals!
The third photo is KK 308 restrike!!!!

[grenadierguardsman]

There are some Fake badges in Kipling and King. As you would expect from such a large collection. Even the experts buy Fakes occasionally.
Andy

[Tweed]

Good evening Andy,
Thank you! Yes indeed that’s true!
Annoying but there you go
Kind regards Chay

[Alex Rice]

Can you be more specific? Is it due to the size of the lettering?
thanks, cheers,
Alex

[KLR]

No Alex, it is the blip under the leaf at lower right on the first two 'photos and two blips at the bottom of the inner ring on the K&K image.
In any case I'm not convinced that these blips constitute a fake.
Something has damaged the die, surely a common occurence in early mass production.
There is a certain early KLR badge that I wouldn't touch if it did not have a flaw !

[Frank Kelley]

I agree, Hugh King's collection was vast and certainly not all of it was ever published, he did make mistakes, although, they were few and far between, at the time the book went to press, there was certainly no shortage of perfectly original examples, which could be had with ease and for very little.

Originally Posted by KLR

No Alex, it is the blip under the leaf at lower right on the first two 'photos and two blips at the bottom of the inner ring on the K&K image.
In any case I'm not convinced that these blips constitute a fake.
Something has damaged the die, surely a common occurence in early mass production.
There is a certain early KLR badge that I wouldn't touch if it did not have a flaw !

[Tweed]

Gentlemen
My theory is based on the abyss of two blob restrikes.

[49lassiepen]

I also don't agree as previous 2 posts Can't think why you think H.K 's is a fake
From your posts /comments on other badges Think you are on a very very long learning curve
David

[Tweed]

David,
Do you think this is an original!
Being sold on eBay for £60?
This is what I think is a restrike!

[Luke H]

Chay,
With true restrikes from original dies it’s not always possible to say for definite precisely when a specific flaw emerged i.e. during the period of wear, shortly after or tens of thousands of restrikes later in modernity.

In this case how do you know for certain that 1 die flaw is OK but 2 is definitely bad?

If that badge in K&K (first printed in 1973) is a restrike then it would have been essentially brand new when the book was made so unlikely to deceive. It’s also hard to imagine that a genuine badge of this type back then would have been hard to acquire.

The ‘2 blob’ badge in K&K could have been the very next badge made after the one you show if that’s when the die wore out in that area.

It could be that the second flaw occurred still during the original period of issue and wear hence some ‘2 blobs’ would be genuine but others restruck and indistinguishable (from the front).

This I’m afraid is the problem with badges made from original dies and why other factors need to be considered when deciding originality, such as fixings etc etc.

[Tweed]

Good morning Luke,
I do agree with you!
I can’t be certain that the flaw with two blobs is completely restruck it’s just that type is the restruck version, I will try to find one with the two flaws and add it to this thread which looks period manufacturing
Kind regards Chay