EARL OF CHESTERS I Y

[PETEM7591]

Hello. After my bad luck on my Badges which have had negative confirmation i have decided to post more of them in this Thread. I would like members opinion on this Badge shown "EARL OF CHESTERS I Y", if this Badge is a fake then great time and effort has been put in to the production of this badge, hope i get a positive response.
Peter.

[Frank Kelley]

Hello Peter,
I hate to say it, but, really just a glance at the reverse is more than enough for me.
Regards Frank

[2747andy]

Peter,
as Frank already states, it is another copy and even though Genuine examples of this particular badge are not always constructed as well as one would expect, they are certainly crisper than your example and the fixing tabs which secure the base scroll to the body of the badge completely different!

As you say the faker has gone to "Some" effort in this particular case, but sadly "Cheap and Nasty" and not the quality associated with original badges from this period (pre 1908).

Best regards

Andy

[PETEM7591]

Hello. Thanks for your replies, I really thought that this was genuine, due to the aged finish and the lug being bent, why would a forger put a bent lug on this badge?, would this be to make it look moe authentic, I take your point about the base scrolls fixings. Well I will keep trying out of my 1000+ badges there must be a genuine one amongst them
Peter.

[Frank Kelley]

Hello Peter,
Tell me, when you collected badges, did you actually stop collecting at some point, did you buy all of them from the fellow, was it always via the post and have you been to any fairs around the country, which would have given you the chance to see and handle very many badges?
As Simon said the other day, there is certainly a pattern here with these badges.
If you were paying £1 or £2 a time back then, it is annoying because in many cases the real thing was there to be had for the same money.
The die from which the badge you show here is very different from that used to make an original, the metal used and fixing's are all clearly wrong.
Kind regards Frank

Originally Posted by PETEM7591

Hello. Thanks for your replies, I really thought that this was genuine, due to the aged finish and the lug being bent, why would a forger put a bent lug on this badge?, would this be to make it look moe authentic, I take your point about the base scrolls fixings. Well I will keep trying out of my 1000+ badges there must be a genuine one amongst them
Peter.

[Roy]

Hi Peter,

I'm not knowledgable enough to comment on this badge but the writing on the wall doesn't look good.

However I wanted to write to just say 'keep your chin up old chap'. It must be very frustrating but as you say there must be a good one somewhere and wish you well in future posts. I for one will keep my fingers crossed for you and with some help from the forum experts at least it's better to know.

Cheers, Roy.

[2747andy]

Originally Posted by PETEM7591

Hello. Thanks for your replies, I really thought that this was genuine, due to the aged finish and the lug being bent, why would a forger put a bent lug on this badge?, would this be to make it look moe authentic, I take your point about the base scrolls fixings. Well I will keep trying out of my 1000+ badges there must be a genuine one amongst them
Peter.

Peter,
It may not have been the faker who bent the lug and artificially aged the badge, but the blame more than likely lies with the git who sold it to you!

There are plenty of good badges to be had so don't be put off collecting, just exercise a little more caution and do your homework!

Best regards

Andy

[manchesters]

Peter,

I am following this thread, so keep posting please.
Everyone has said what needs to said about the IY badge I'm afraid.

Frank makes some valid points there.

regards

[Frank Kelley]

Morning Simon,
When I collected as a child, I always bought in the flesh, so I could see what I was actually buying before I bought it, looking back now, I was very lucky because I found a couple of people who did not sell copies and had a considerable stock to look at.
My one early memory is of a little shop in Blackpool on the corner of Church Street and Grosvenor Street, I can still see it now in my mind, the fellow had an old glass fronted haberdashers cabinet, the wooden shelves that would have held shirts etc were actually full of cap badges, buttons and titles.
Very happy days indeed, but, you can see how this sort of thing happens, you see an advertisement, you order a badge, it arrives, you are happy, so you order another and so it goes on!
Regards Frank

[manchesters]

Originally Posted by Frank Kelley

Morning Simon,
When I collected as a child, I always bought in the flesh, so I could see what I was actually buying before I bought it, looking back now, I was very lucky because I found a couple of people who did not sell copies and had a considerable stock to look at.
My one early memory is of a little shop in Blackpool on the corner of Church Street and Grosvenor Street, I can still see it now in my mind, the fellow had an old glass fronted haberdashers cabinet, the wooden shelves that would have held shirts etc were actually full of cap badges, buttons and titles.
Very happy days indeed, but, you can see how this sort of thing happens, you see an advertisement, you order a badge, it arrives, you are happy, so you order another and so it goes on!
Regards Frank

Totally agree Frank.
I started at Stockport Arms Fair in the late 1960's early 1970's with my Dad. The amount of badges piled up on tables used to just amaze me.
My teenage /early 20's attempts at mail order were always a disaster and I stopped as quickly as I started.

My favourite shop was in York, tucked away through a passage somewhere. Picked up HP's for a couple of quid. Happy days.

regards

[Frank Kelley]

Hello Simon,
Yes, I think that is the best thing anyone can do, get out there and have a good look at all the badges you can and above all, talk to people.
Regards again Frank