GUARDS COLLAR BADGE SET ID

[actionoke]

I would like to know what this collar set is from...ie unit and period.They are heavy embroided with the Lion overlay.
Thanks

[manchesters]

Unless lions have wings I would say those were dragons.

Officers full dress collar badges to the Royal Welsh Fusiliers, probably pre WW1.

regards

[actionoke]

HA HA Thanks for quick reply...so Boer war?

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by actionoke

HA HA Thanks for quick reply...so Boer war?

There were two versions. The original and older version was actually a Griffin type dragon with beak and feathered head and shoulders and no loop in the tail.

Some time just after WW1 this was changed to a Tudor type Dragon (the same as used by the City of London) with a mouth rather than beak, scales rather than feathers and a loop in the tail.

No one seems to have recorded precisely when the change took place but regimental letterheads and sign boards were also changed. It was not uncommon to see both types worn within a battalion especially between the wars and during WW2.

I have often wondered if the City of London dragons became the model for the change as they are virtually identical to the new type adopted and worn until amalgamation in 2006. As an added point the amalgamation saw the end of the one time 'universal grenade', worn by RWF on OR's collars since the 1890s and with shoulder titles by all fusiliers for a while after being laid down as regulation in 1905.

[JerryBB]

this inter wars junior officers cap has the earlier type beast

Originally Posted by Toby Purcell

There were two versions. The original and older version was actually a Griffin type dragon with beak and feathered head and shoulders and no loop in the tail.

Some time just after WW1 this was changed to a Tudor type Dragon (the same as used by the City of London) with a mouth rather than beak, scales rather than feathers and a loop in the tail.

No one seems to have recorded precisely when the change took place but regimental letterheads and sign boards were also changed. It was not uncommon to see both types worn within a battalion especially between the wars and during WW2.

I have often wondered if the City of London dragons became the model for the change as they are virtually identical to the new type adopted and worn until amalgamation in 2006. As an added point the amalgamation saw the end of the one time 'universal grenade', worn by RWF on OR's collars since the 1890s and with shoulder titles by all fusiliers for a while after being laid down as regulation in 1905.

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by JerryBB

this inter wars junior officers cap has the earlier type beast

Nice acquisition Jerry. An old badge matched with a newer cap. Perhaps a family heirloom. One can imagine a father and son…