a "T" ?

[Just]

Hello
what is this badge for ? shoulder title ?
thanks for answers
cordially
Didier

[Peter Brydon]

Didier,

Can you post a picture ?. It could be a "T" worn under their collar badges by territorial officers in service dress.

P.B.

[Just]

sorry PB
I suppose you can't the see the picture, here is:

[Peter Brydon]

Thanks, yes it is as worn beneath officers collar badges.
Peter

[Just]

Thank you Peter
Didier

[AndyC_65]

Could it also be used as the T in shoulder titles?

Or do we think the title in this ebay listing is made uP?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Scarce-Ter...p2047675.l2557

I see the "T" used seperately occiasionaly in Westlake, but not as the ebay listing with "Royal Corps of SIGNALS".

Thoughts?

cheers,

Andy C

[Peter Brydon]

Andy,

The T`s without serrifs are sometimes used on shoulder titles but nothing like as often as those with serrifs.

We have been accused of having a down on dealers, but how someone who advertises as having over 40 years experience of collecting and retailing militaria can offer this "scarce territorial " item for sale is beyond me.

The two parts don't even have the same style of lugs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peter

[Sonofacqms]

I agree with PB, these "T's" are for officers, worn below the collar badges.

Sans serif "T's" appear on a few shoulder titles such as T/CAMBRIDGE, but this is one I have never seen before, must be exceptionally scarce . . !

Rob

[davec2]

There are pages of titles with the Sans serif ' T 's in Westlake, occasionally the square ' T ' is used, ' T - London ' and ' City of London ' are two and ' T - Herts ' use both.

I also think the 'T - Royal Corps of Signals ' has had the ' T ' added to whet the appetite of the unknowing, sad when you look at the seller ??

Dave.

[wardog]

T also used in VR/T. RAF Volunteer Reserve Training- Mainly Air Cadet officers.
All depends on the size of the T. Regards, Paul.

[Rockape]

Originally Posted by AndyC_65

Could it also be used as the T in shoulder titles?

Like this?

[Graham Stewart]

RNF Band 1.jpgRNF Band 2.jpg

The large plain 'T' was adopted by Territorial units for wear on the shoulder strap and is commonly seen after the formation of the Territorial Reserve Battalions in 1916. In most cases they were never worn with numerals - sitting seperate from the rest of the title. They continued to be worn after the war by Territorials right up until the 1930's, and also by the Bands in scarlet.

I have two RNF Band scarlet tunics from Post-WWI, one clearly dated 1938, belonging to Territorial Bn's. The shoulder straps clearly showed this, but no 'sans serif' 'T' would fit. Even the title holes had been placed mechanically on both jackets and not dug in with a sharp item. I had a large bag of plain 'T's and never thought for one moment they would fit until recently and the plain 'T' dropped straight in.

Whether all T.A. units adopted the plain 'T' for wear Post-WWI is possibly open to question, but I do have have many photo's in my collection showing it being worn with S.D., during and after WWI.

[GTB]

The 'T' in Didier's pic appears to be of brass (unburnished). Aren't the 'Ts' worn by officers OSD bronze?
GTB

[Peter Brydon]

GTB,

The "T" being worn by this officer of the Liverpool Scottish does not appear to be bronzed but yes generally they would match the finish on the collars.

P.B.

[Rob Miller]

I have picked up a larger than normal "T" it measures 20mm high by 16mm wide, I did wonder if it was to go above the RE Signal Service title.

All thoughts welcomed.

Rob