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Old 09-12-17, 01:03 PM
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This came in the post today. Not too keen on it. What is do you think ?
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irishhorse,

I wouldn't be too keen either, would go straight back in the post.

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There is no WM on the lower part of the pennants?

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All brass pennants. No air hole to back of the numetal.
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Old 09-12-17, 04:03 PM
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Absolutely awful, it looks brand new!

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Not saying this is good, indeed I think it to be a copy, but the badge did come with and without WM to the PENNONS, not pennants. (K&K Vol 1 p212)
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Old 09-12-17, 04:13 PM
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If only they had been furled!

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Not saying this is good, indeed I think it to be a copy, but the badge did come with and without WM to the PENNONS, not pennants. (K&K Vol 1 p212)
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Old 09-12-17, 04:55 PM
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Thanks guys, it's been returned already.
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Old 09-12-17, 05:00 PM
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It is a fairly common badge, like the vast majority of cavalry badges of the period in question, so no need to buy a badge like that, plenty of originals to be had.
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Old 09-12-17, 08:15 PM
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My first reaction was a resounding no.

Then I had a recollection of F. Wilkinson’s book having a rather ropey looking 5th Royal Irish Lancers.

Here it is (hopefully)...

To my eyes they appear to be from the same die. Note the very thin pennons and that the left has a clear wave in the middle. Also the tips of the lances, the right tip is far more bulbous.

As the book is first edition 1969 it’s generally considered to be pre-restrike flood.

Also it’s also worth mentioning that several of the badges in his book, flat topped East Surrey with slider, regimental castle Northamptonshire with slider, solid BM Manchester Regiment, Royal Dublin Fusiliers with the ‘tagged’ on WM scroll - all of which lack quality and finess and are widely accepted as Great War vintage. So maybe one to hang on to after all.

If you want one that’s 100% definitely right then as the others say there’s plenty out there, look for one with braze holes behind the WM pennants and 5 and you won’t go far wrong.

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Luke I don't know which Wilkinson book you refer to but my copies of 'Discovering British Military Badges and Buttons' by R.J. Wilkinson, 'Badges of the British Army 1820 to the Present' and 'Cavalry and Yeomanry Badges of the British army 1914' both by F. Wilkinson, show this badge with W/M overlay on the pennons.

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Old 09-12-17, 10:30 PM
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Luke I don't know which Wilkinson book you refer to but my copies of 'Discovering British Military Badges and Buttons' by R.J. Wilkinson, 'Badges of the British Army 1820 to the Present' and 'Cavalry and Yeomanry Badges of the British army 1914' both by F. Wilkinson, show this badge with W/M overlay on the pennons.

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Thomas, I was referring to Badges of the British Army Army 1820 to the Present by F.Wilkinson, figure 88.

It may well have WM pennons, the lighting on the photograph of that particular badge is rather poor (in my copy at least). It’s come out rather true to life in the picture I’ve posted above.

Truth be told I couldn’t say 100% for sure either way as the lower half of the pennon on the right lance looks the same tone as the shaft of the lance and the 5 appears totally indistinguishable in colour for the circlet, at least to my eyes in my copy of the book anyway. That said I’d agree the pennon on the left lance does look like it has white metal overlay. But then again does it look like white metal because that’s what my brain expects it to be?

I am sure however that both badges are from the same die. Even down to the distinctive slightly angled and raised ‘E’ in SEPRABIT. As I’m unaware of any badges in that book being proven out and out fakes, that would logically make it one of two things. Either an early 1960s re-strike in the truest sense of the term from an original die or as ugly (no offence Irishhorse) as it is, an original badge.

Personally I’m in the original camp.

As for if it’s a Friday rush job, corner cutting for speedier manufacturing, an unfinished badge or something else, I don’t know and will leave that for others to decide.

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Old 09-12-17, 11:11 PM
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In that case we have different editions, mine is the 8th edition from 1992, ISBN 1-85409-135-2, and the badge is number 235.

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Hi Luke H

Rather new to this. What exactly do you mean by "braze holes"? I've been offered one for £50 but that seems a bit steep to me. Thanks in advance.
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The holes on the reverse of the overlaid brass scroll and pennants.
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