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Old 01-03-16, 09:06 PM
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Moving along here is a cloth badge I have been unable to name.

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Bewakers Politieke Delinquenten (guards of political delinquents). Usually men who physically failed to make the grade at the Stoottroepen, who performed guard duties, e.g. at Camp Vught where NSB bigshots were detained.

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Your sleeve badge is the heraldically incorrect version with the sword pointed downwards, in heraldry a downwards pointed sword needs to be covered by something else, e.g. a shield. An upwards pointed sword is heraldically correct. This incorrect version is relatively common, mostly found unworn because it was rejected. The correct upturned sword version is very rare.

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Thank you.

Rather odd symbols for such a task.

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Thank you.

Rather odd symbols for such a task.

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This patch was also worn by members of the POD, Politieke opsporingsdienst.
Their task was to track down and arrest traitors after the war and bring them to justice.( those guards were part of that organisation)

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Thank you.
The translation into English differs depending on which service I use. Here are just two versions.

Politieke Opsporingsdienst
Political Tracking Service
Criminal Investigation Department

Bewakers Politieke Delinquenten
Guards of Political Delinquents
Guards of Political Offenders

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Translations almost never cover the idea behind the terms for 100%.

After the liberation of the Netherlands people were of course eager to take revenge on, or at least bring to justice, those who worked for the enemy. Either in the open or as covert traitors.

The organisation(s) we are talking about here were created to let this happen in an organised way. Their names must be interpreted with this in mind.

Politieke Opsporingsdienst
To track down those individuals, part of them were simply at their homes, but others were on the run.

Bewakers Politieke Delinquenten
To guard the prison (camp)s where the were hold in custody. Before and/or after their trials and most probably also to save them from revenge.
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I am curious also
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Studenten Weerbaarheid, introduced Ca. 1974. An unofficial private initiative, this badge. Also with voided background ´W´.

Blue/yellow - Rotterdam
Blue/black - Delft
Blue/brown - Wageningen
Blue/light blue - Leiden
Blue/red - Amsterdam
Blue/green - Utrecht
Blue/white - Groningen

The colours of Tilburg, Maastricht, Twente and Eindhoven are Unknown.

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Studenten Weerbaarheid, introduced Ca. 1974. An unofficial private initiative, this badge. Also with voided background ´W´.

Blue/yellow - Rotterdam
Blue/black - Delft
Blue/brown - Wageningen
Blue/light blue - Leiden
Blue/red - Amsterdam
Blue/green - Utrecht
Blue/white - Groningen

The colours of Tilburg, Maastricht, Twente and Eindhoven are Unknown.

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Thank you very much Thomas. A few more than my original four. Would you have an image of the voided 'W' badge?

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Going back to the beret badge for the Transport Corps [Troops] (Aan- en Afvoertroepen), which came first; 5 wheel nuts of 7 wheel nuts?

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Going back to the beret badge for the Transport Corps [Troops] (Aan- en Afvoertroepen), which came first; 5 wheel nuts of 7 wheel nuts?

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Searching on the internet I found that five nuts is the older one.
And by the look of them I agree with that.
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That is what I thought, but, there are a few that regard 7 as the first pattern, with one being shown (with a thin backing) as worn between 1945-1950 Nederlandsch Indië. Also the top of the Crown on that one is below the top of the 'W'.*

http://www.hetdepot.com/7eCieAAT-KL.html

*I knew I had one someplace.

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That is what I thought, but, there are a few that regard 7 as the first pattern, with one being shown (with a thin backing) as worn between 1945-1950 Nederlandsch Indië. Also the top of the Crown on that one is below the top of the 'W'.*

http://www.hetdepot.com/7eCieAAT-KL.html

*I knew I had one someplace.

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I would say that is a third type. Older then both you have.

BTW. while they show that in that article (about a 1945-1949 unit) and those "milkmaid" badges belong to that timeframe, it is not 100% sure the beret badge is from tthe same time (also it shows age). It could have been added to the article because iit fits what was worn.
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