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The Cheshire Regiment
Hi all, I picked up this selection of Cheshire Regiment badges at this past weekend's gun show. I'm not up on British badges so I'm hoping the British brothers can answer some questions I have.
1. What era are these badges? 2. The "star" badge has J&Co makers stamp in the back. Is this Jennings and Co? I'll post pics of the reverse shortly. Cheers, Greg Last edited by GregN; 20-03-17 at 11:57 PM. Reason: adding photos |
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Hi Greg, look here in makers mark section, see notes regarding dates of marks use.
http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/mak...ks/jennens.htm Cheers Tony.
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Thanks Tony, so the Jenings marked badge is earlier, possibly WW1 era and the unmarked badge is WW2? These both appear to be officers badges but I would like confirmation just to be sure.
The buttons are also marked JENINGS & CO LONDON. The collar is bi-metal but unmarked. Greg |
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Greg the unmarked cap badge is the 1898-1922 pattern according to Gaylor's book. However this pattern I think was for OR's. It is not the type of construction I have seen us on this badge before....
Cheers Tony.
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Greg,
If you look up the thread Cheshire Regt N.C.O.s cap badge you will find a similar badge as well as an LF one I had got from the same source. Sorry I cannot seem to provide a link on my iPad Paul |
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its Jennens & Co, not Jennings or Jenings.
regards
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The badge with title scroll is indeed for colour sergeants and below circa 1898 to 1922 and was worn throughout WW1, also in all GM from 1916.
The other (J&Co) badge was known to soldiers as a 'staff badge' and worn by officers, warrant officers and battalion 'staff' sergeants (e.g. QMS, musketry, tailor, shoemaker, orderly room) from around 1905 (the issue of peaked, universal forage cap). The acorn badge, although collar insignia, was at first worn as the badge on the field service cap, by all ranks, although a bi-m version for superior ranks. Last edited by Toby Purcell; 21-03-17 at 02:37 PM. |
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The other (J&Co) badge was known to soldiers as a 'staff badge' and worn by officers, warrant officers and battalion 'staff' sergeants (e.g. QMS, musketry, tailor, shoemaker, orderly room) from around 1905 (the issue of peaked, universal forage cap).
Hello Toby, as I collect to the Cheshire Regiment I was a bit surprised to read the above statement about the 'staff badge', as I have never heard of that pattern badge being worn after December 1900, when the type with the scroll was issued. The pattern without the scroll was issued to all ranks in 1923. I have posted a photo from 1893, which shows three type of badges being worn, the officers badge, the glengarry and the acorn. If you have any information on the 'staff badge' being worn in 1905 I would love to read it. |
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Last edited by Toby Purcell; 22-03-17 at 04:46 PM. |
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Thanks Toby, nice to have a interesting discussion about the wearing of badges.
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Keep looking out for the photos, they do exist. Remember that a senior staff sergeant (battalion HQ) and a colour sergeant (company NCO) wore the exact same badge of rank in 'undress', but only a staff sergeant wore a staff cap badge. Until 1902, the staff cap stood out very clearly to make clear the differential, but not after it was discontinued.
Last edited by Toby Purcell; 23-03-17 at 09:18 AM. |
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