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Old 29-11-17, 05:16 PM
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Default Silver Plate Ox & Bucks collar badge

Hi,
Is this Collar or part title of a type worn on the Beret by the 2nd Bn Ox and Bucks c.WW2. I have been looking for a 2 Lugged example but this has one hex type lug. I'm sure it is silver plated with some brass in places showing through.
although I have not seen a one lugged type attributed to the 2nd.
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Old 29-11-17, 05:31 PM
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I've little doubt that you're already aware of this site & it's info. relating to the badge worn on the FSC, CFSC & beret.
Might be worth contacting the gent who runs it.
Any IWM info. on the badge in its various forms, they tend to specify fittings?

http://www.lightbobs.com/headdress.html

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Old 29-11-17, 05:39 PM
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Hi Liegh,
I guess you mean Lightbobs, I know the gent but only recieved the badge today.
I will send him an email asking about the fitting.
I was wandering if anyone else had come across this type, for some reason I presumed they would all be on two lugs
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Old 29-11-17, 05:53 PM
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Would've helped if I hadn't forgotten to post the link.......
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Old 29-11-17, 05:58 PM
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No worries Leigh,
I should of thought of it myself first.I will let you know what info Stephen has.
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Old 29-11-17, 08:12 PM
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Weren't single lugged collar badges introduced post War?
http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ad.php?t=62426

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Weren't single lugged collar badges introduced post War?
http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ad.php?t=62426

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Thomas,
I don't believe they wore collars at that time,I think it was corded buttons worn after the use of ORs collars ceased in the early 20thc.but an LI expert would know more than I do on that.
The hex type fixing had been in existence since at least 1902, and seems a reasonable choice for this collar.
The early Gaunt catalogues give a choice of fixing including the type on this collar.
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Old 29-11-17, 09:29 PM
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I have been reliably informed it is not a Collar but a bugle part of a shoulder title. These are found with the single fixing and two lugs.
Collars were not worn from the 1880's by other ranks and it was the ST bugle wore by the 2nd Bn in the Beret,I have still not heard from Lightbobs if he knows if the fitting on my example is known also to have been worn.
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Old 30-11-17, 10:27 AM
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I have heard back from Lightbobs, he has not came across this single fixing type himself. He also said that all Bn's less the Bucks wore the ST bugle type badge.
Paul
If anyone has similar it would be good to know
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Old 30-11-17, 06:55 PM
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Thomas,
I don't believe they wore collars at that time,I think it was corded buttons worn after the use of ORs collars ceased in the early 20thc.but an LI expert would know more than I do on that.
The hex type fixing had been in existence since at least 1902, and seems a reasonable choice for this collar.
The early Gaunt catalogues give a choice of fixing including the type on this collar.
Paul
Notice I don't mention these being OBLI collars, although these were worn by the 4th TF Bn in WM and blackened by the Service Bns 1914-1918. Colin Churchil describes these as universal bugle. Other LI regiments wore these as collars were the 4th Bn KSLI and DLI and as part of a shoulder title by pretty much all LI regiments. Also as buglers arm badge.

I've yet to encounter a 2nd Bn OBLI beret with this one lugged version, so far Ive seen two and three lugged versions, either in WM or plated.

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Old 30-11-17, 07:13 PM
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I think the single hex lug goes back further than 1902.

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[QUOTE=Rob Miller;429003]I think the single hex lug goes back further than 1902.

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Aren't they both King's Crowns, by definition dating from 1902 onwards?

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No they are Fig.333 in Churchill, 1872 on.

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Hi Paul

Missed your post as I was swamped in November. But better late than never.

Here are a pair of post WW2 single lugged w/m bugles. Not common but they do turn up occasionally. Presumably used by 4 OBLI as collars, possibly also part of the KSLI w/m shoulder title, even the DLI two piece w/m pre-1952 title if it was ever worn.

Bugles Type 09 O.jpg

Bugles Type 09 R.jpg

There are also post war a/a and chromed three lugged versions.

Source info on who wore what and when gratefully received.
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