genuine or fake?

[hoolley]

Hi
please could anyone advise on this Liverpool Pals badge,
bought it today for my Uncle sold as " Rare and Genuine"
Any comments / advice will be very much appreciated
It measures approx 35mm x 35mm

Thank you

[hoolley]

Hi
Please can any1 advise bought this for my Uncle today sold as "RARE&GENUINE" any advice would be very much appreciated its 35mm x 35mm

Thank you

[2747andy]

It does not look good to me, I would like to have seen crisper detail, in particular to the Bird's mouth and the baby in the basket?

There are some nice ones here!

Andy

[oc14]

Must be honest, i'm not feeling the love for that example either !

PL

[hoolley]

Oh no....

Thanks for replying to my question even though its not what I wanted to hear lol
I've tried to take closer pics could you look at these please
Thanks again..

[Frank Kelley]

My advice would be to send it back!
Regards Frank

[2747andy]

I must admit having seen the images on the original listing I am now 50\50....

One for the KLR I think?

Andy

[Paul Spellman]

Hi,
I do believe its a collar badge but as Andy said KLR will know better
Paul

[Paul Spellman]

Hi Hoolley,
Here is an image of a cast Pals badge with lugs, a Die stamped one post 1916 with slider, and 2 collars on the left also die stamped. Any die stamped pals badges with lugs are generally regarded as collars and can be the same size as the badge, they all face left to the looker as this is because of the use of the heraldic crest in this case Lord Derby's.
The collar badges are rarely sold as such and are often described as cap badges.
I hope this helps
Paul

[Paul Spellman]

Rear image
The upper collar badge has repair to lugs.

[KLR]

As I've already communicated to Charlie this item is (based on) an officers SD collar badge - it has a gap between the eagles' legs. Paul has pointed out and illustrated the sort of thing I had I mind at top right in the last post.
But if the front is "WM" (or silver plate) then it has been made into a sweetheart badge but I'm not very happy about the poor casting of the reverse.

[GTB]

I'm posting my Pals badge which came to me from an old collection and which I have no qualms about.
However, it differs from all the other examples shown in that it has 2 brass flat hexagonal lugs of the type normally associated with shoulder titles. Perhaps an expert on this can verify such usage?
Apologies as unable to clearly scan the back.

GTB

[hoolley]

Thanks to everyone who has replied made up with all the advice

Paul( Slop Jockey ) The badge is identical to the top right one in your photo I feel I know a little bit about them now you and KLR have been brilliant, Thanks to Andy for getting me in touch with you KLR.
I think my uncle will be happy knowing exactly what it is
Thanks again

[Frank Kelley]

Like KLR, I am not too keen on the back, I've seen better looking collar badges and after looking at your pictures, I am thinking, yes, a collar badge, but, if you wanted a cap badge, then I do stand by my original thoughts.
Regards again Frank