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Old 26-04-17, 07:55 AM
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Default Unknown button EIP with Victorian crown

Apologies for the small photographs. Can anyone identify this Victorian button with the letters E I P?

I have thought of East India Police and East India Peninsular but these are not confirmed.

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Old 26-04-17, 11:33 AM
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I am sorry, but the images seem very small. I cannot see them enlarged.
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Old 26-04-17, 01:03 PM
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I am sorry, but the images seem very small. I cannot see them enlarged.
Apologies, they were sent to me as an email attachment.
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Old 26-04-17, 02:42 PM
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This gives an approximate date for the button:
https://sites.google.com/site/edinbu...-december-1812

(search for Craig, multiple times)
I do not recall seeing a back mark on the rim of a button.
Nice button.
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Old 26-04-17, 04:15 PM
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I do not recall seeing a back mark on the rim of a button.
Nice button.
I agree, a very nice button and unusual having the backmark on the rim.

I can't quite make out the full details on the back but the '101 South Bridge Street Edinburgh' seems clear enough. Is the name across the top 'Craig' or 'Haig & Co'? If the latter, any connection with the Haig Whisky company?

Another long shot but could the 'E' on the button be for 'Edinburgh'? The button looks more like a livery/company button than police or military.

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Old 26-04-17, 07:53 PM
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You could try and find an online 1830s Edinburgh directory.
A posh button like this one may have an address.
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Old 27-04-17, 07:39 AM
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Many thanks for your input gentlemen.
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Old 29-04-17, 02:23 PM
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Hi there,

Not sure if you have managed to do any more research on this button. It was a quiet day at work yesterday so had a google.

The Backmark looks to be :

A . CRAIG & Co 104 SOUTH BRIDGE EDINBURGH

Having had a look on line, the Edinburgh directory for 1827-28
(http://digital.nls.uk/directories/br...=transcription )
shows the following entry:

Craig, Alex, and Co. wholesale and retail cloth merchants, 104 South bridge


By 1857-58 (http://digital.nls.uk/directories/br...=transcription )
this had become :

Craig, Alex, and Co. clothiers and hatters to the Queen, 103 & 104 South bridge


I am assuming the cipher/monogram is “EIP” – but the central “I” character could be another letter which has been ‘very’ stylised.

Anyway, like the others above I have assumed that the “E” stands for ‘Edinburgh’ and if if it is an “I” – then that could be ‘Institute’ or ‘Institution’– but I haven’t been able to identify any that have a ‘P’ at the end.
There is the Edinburgh Philosophical Institution from circa 1830 onwards – but it seems strange they would get the letters in the wrong order.
Though there is reference to :
THE PHILOSOPHICAL INSTITUTION EDINBURGH Reference Library
(https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...page&q&f=false )

So it may not too large a jump to go to Edinburgh Institution of Philosophy?

Well that is as far I have got.

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Ian
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Old 29-04-17, 03:28 PM
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Hello Ian

Some nice detective work there!

Looking again at the backmark I see you are right, it is 104, not 101 as I first thought. I can also see the 'A' and 'Craig' clearly! It's amazing what appears quite clear when someone tells you what you are looking at!

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