Some unknowns

[Eddie Parks]

Hi Guys
I am posting this for a fellow member who has a problem posting pix. Can anyone ID these for him?

[Alan O]

Eddie,

I recognise the first one. I will get back to you with an ID when I can access my records.

Alan

[Alan O]

The first badge is probably education related with 'Work Conquers All' as the motto and the Greek Lamp of learning.

My notes show that it has been attributed to a Cadet corps but there is no evidence to link it to one not anything that links it to military cadets at all. I have seen it sold as a Dorking school badge but their is no linkage at all with any symbolism connected to Dorking school or the Council or town itself. Whilst there was a Surrey Cadet badge, it bears no resemblance to this one at all.

In fact it bears no relation to any British town or council badge using that symbology.

It remains firmly in the un-identified section.

[Peter Brydon]

Rawlings ascribes the motto ( only ) to Dorking High School.

P.B.

[peter monahan]

Is the motto on the thistle badge in Gaelic rather than Latin? If so, I'd guess some clan/band or other 'Scots' group rather than a military badge, but that's just a guess. The 48th Highlanders of Canada use a Gaelic motto but I believe latin is more common even in Highland units.

[Alan O]

I cannot find any evidence to support Rawling's claim about the badge or even the motto.

Dorking High School was founded in 1884. It became Dorking Grammar School in 1931. The school's motto was Esto Fidelis as evidenced by this plaque:

http://ashcombedorkinian.com/htm/mem.../OldHeads1.htm

The plaque very helpfully has a companion which records that Dorking High School for Boys preceded it until it merged with the Girls High School in 1931. The school badge bears no resemblance to the one on the badge in any shape, form or symbology.

http://www.dorkingmuseum.org.uk/wp-c...ads/image.jpeg

Helpfully, Dorking Museum has this plaque from Dorking High School which includes the school crest. It consists of the intertwined DHS letters which are of the same style as the post 1931 letters for Dorking Grammar School.

My eyesight is not sharp enough to read the motto but it does not appear to be the one on the badge in post one. It appears to me to be '..... et labore' Could be 'fide' or 'arte' which would translate as 'Skill and labour' or Faith and labour.'

Anyway Rawling's ID is definitely not proven by this and I believe it is incorrect.

There are some other errors in his book such as the use of Bath Police Collar badges for Bath OTC.

[manchesters]

The motto "labor omnia vincit" is that of my home town, Ashton under Lyne, but the coat of arms certainly is not.

regards

[Peter Brydon]

And of The Royal Pioneer Corps ( Edwards 1st Edition ).

P.B.

[Alan O]

I have had a response from the school association. No cadet corps but an ATC was raised in WW2. The motto was not the one on the abdge shown.

Rawlings appears to have been in error.

[Eddie Parks]

And the others anyone??

[cga00]

Morning Eddie - I think that the last one may be from a collar of office of a friendly society. I'm thinking RAOB when I see the letters WP (Worthy Primo) - but this is normally on 2 badges (W left & P right as you look at it).
Craig

[Arthur]

Hello Eddie.

Second badge. The Motto is attributed to the Elliot Family in Scotland.

General George Augustus Elliot who successfully defended Gibraltar for three years against the whole power of France and Spain. He was created Lord Heathfield, Baron Gibraltar, 1787, the title became extinct on the death of his son, 1813.

The badge above could have a connection to this family! The badge consists of The Rock of Gibraltar, the arrow heads and the motto which all fits in as do the laurel wreath. Maybe the lion of Scotland or U.K!

Regards
Arthur

[Eddie Parks]

Any other ideas!