Lake Superior scottish Staybrite Badge - British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum

Snowdrop 68 · #1 25-01-16, 02:02 PM

Hi guys,

I recently purchased a LSSR cap badge on eBay which I though was an Officer's two colour Issue.

When I got it today, I was quite surprised as it is staybrite. I have never seen an AA Canadian badge (I don't think). The lugs are ones I don't recognise, and it also has a Scully maker mark.

A couple of questions spring to mind:

1. Did the LSSR ever wear an AA badge?
2. What period would they have been worn?
3. Did Canada regularly issue AA badges?

As always, opinions welcome.

thanks, Bill

Anodisedbob · #2 25-01-16, 03:06 PM

Hi Bill

Going by the lugs guessing Indian made. I have a few aa Canadian cap badges with either lugs or sliders english stamped i.e. JR Gaunt etc. I would guess 60-70's before they changed from "Corps" to "Branch" and metal by Scully

Bob

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowdrop 68

Hi guys,

I recently purchased a LSSR cap badge on eBay which I though was an Officer's two colour Issue.

When I got it today, I was quite surprised as it is staybrite. I have never seen an AA Canadian badge (I don't think). The lugs are ones I don't recognise, and it also has a Scully maker mark.

A couple of questions spring to mind:

1. Did the LSSR ever wear an AA badge?
2. What period would they have been worn?
3. Did Canada regularly issue AA badges?

As always, opinions welcome.

thanks, Bill

Snowdrop 68 · #3 25-01-16, 03:13 PM

Thanks Bob,

Lugs certainly resemble some indian items I have.

regards, Bill

altcar73 · #4 25-01-16, 03:16 PM

Forgive my saying so but it appears to be of very poor quality. A reproduction? I can't imagine that the Canadian military would sanction the purchase of such a badge for official wear.

Dave.

ddaydodger · #5 25-01-16, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by altcar73

Forgive my saying so but it appears to be of very poor quality. A reproduction? I can't imagine that the Canadian military would sanction the purchase of such a badge for official wear.

Dave.

All of the Canadian issue badges are AA (or cloth, or AA and enamel), and are of incredibly poor quality. Many regiments end up buying badges for issue or purchase thru the kit shop. The LSSR badge pictured is actually better then some of the issue badges I've seen. Lowest bidder and no quality control. All issue Canadian badges are with sliders.

Bill A · #6 25-01-16, 05:13 PM

I've not seen cast lugs like these on authorized badges. The overall quality as pointed out, is terrible.

Phillip Herring · #7 25-01-16, 05:22 PM

Possibly a Scully made badge was used as a sample and sent overseas for manufacture?
I'm thinking a Penny's product.

http://www.pennys.ca/Badges/lssr.jpg

Phil

Phillip Herring · #8 25-01-16, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ddaydodger

All of the Canadian issue badges are AA (or cloth, or AA and enamal), and are of incredibly poor quality. Many regiments end up buying badges for issue or purchase thru the kit shop. The LSSR badge pictured is actually better then some of the issue badges I've seen. Lowest bidder and no quality control. All issue Canadian badges are with sliders.

What do you mean by AA?
The DND issued Canadian badges have a non-polishable coating, but are not anodised aluminum. It is some sort of alloy, much heavier than aluminum.

Phil

Bill A · #9 25-01-16, 05:53 PM

There are a couple of AA type badges for Canadian regiments, but these were purchased through Gaunt or some other Brit supplier. As Phil says, Canadian badges were not contracted in AA.

ddaydodger · #10 25-01-16, 06:25 PM

My bad, I use AA so not to confuse with brass or WM, or gilding metel, etc. Something traditional that can be polished. Modern CF badges are made from multiple types of metals including brass, zinc alloys, copper alloys, britannia metal, steel, gold and gold alloys, silver and silver alloys, and nickle silver. Other items in CF badges may be wire, brass or copper, melamine, thermoplastic, ABS, polymide and enamels. Badges can be plated with anything from gold to chromium. There is a 25 page document that lays out the requirement for CF badges, buttons, buckles etc. No mention of aluminum, but I didn't want to get into great detail on the compositions of CF badges. Didn't realise all the nitpickers out there.

Bill A · #11 25-01-16, 06:32 PM

Not so much nit picking, as intrigued. I have a Royal Canadian Regiment and a LdSH badge that are AA. But they were acquired in the UK.
AA was trialed for buttons pre-unification and were issued for a couple of units. (Not sure which ones, but I think RCASC, C Pro C, and Cdn Gds come to mind?) But they did not expand the issue to issues of badges.

Phillip Herring · #12 25-01-16, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ddaydodger

Didn't realise all the nitpickers out there.

That isn't "nitpicking". To call current issue CF badges "AA" is inaccurate. Anodised aluminum is a specific type of manufacture.
Make sure you know what you are talking about before you start calling people names.

Phil

ddaydodger · #13 25-01-16, 06:45 PM

"It is some sort of alloy, much heavier than aluminum"

Wow, aren't you precise!!

Phillip Herring · #14 25-01-16, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ddaydodger

"It is some sort of alloy, much heavier than aluminum"

Wow, aren't you precise!!

Then you tell us the exact composition instead of listing every possible metal that might be used.

Phil

ddaydodger · #15 25-01-16, 07:04 PM

"3.5.1 Metals:
When specified, one of the following shall be used in the manufacture of badges, buttons, insignia and buckles. The metal used for each individual item shall be in accordance with the sealed pattern, drawing or applicable specification whichever is specified in the invitation to tender."

The next 4 pages list all the metals and their specific alloys and composition, IAW ASTM B 413.