3 artillery badges

[manchesters]

Marc,

Here are the badges I mentioned.

Top Left:- GM, mounted wheel, 2 long loops at the end of the bottom scroll

Top right:- Thought it was GM but on closer inspection appears to have been once gilded, mounted wheel, 3 loops - So we can discount this one as it is not an other ranks version.

Bottom Row:- All GM, flat wheels, 3 loops, J R Gaunt, London Plaques.

Interestingly the first one has an over applied CANADA banner on the UBIQUE scroll ( Charlton 140-1-2-2)

regards

[54Bty]

Originally Posted by manchesters

Marc,

Here are the badges I mentioned.

Top Left:- GM, mounted wheel, 2 long loops at the end of the bottom scroll

Interestingly the first one has an over applied CANADA banner on the UBIQUE scroll ( Charlton 140-1-2-2)

Which makes it a British made slider removed or not applied (mark showing) badge for Canada.

Although the 3 lugged versions exist, I have not found any evidence of them being worn by members of the Royal Regiment of Artillery. Which headdress do you think they would have been worn in, as again I have not come across and with 3 holes.

Also mounted wheels are not the norm for issued OR's badges.

Marc

[manchesters]

Marc,

Discounting the Gilt version and discounting the CANADA banner version that still leaves 2 flat wheel, GM badges with 3 loops and Gaunt plaques.

I dont what headgear they were manufactured to be worn on, but I suppose they must have been for either the Broderick cap, or the Forage Cap, or a Pagri on a Foreign Service Helmet or even a Slouch Hat if the RA ever wore those in the Edwardian period, I dont know.

PS - there is no mark showing where a slider was removed on the CANADA version, thats the Gaunt plaque.

regards

[Frank Kelley]

Hello Marc,
Are you referring to Royal Artillery or those other badges from across the Empire?
Regards Frank

[QUOTE=54Bty;361240

Also mounted wheels are not the norm for issued OR's badges.

Marc [/QUOTE]

[54Bty]

Originally Posted by Frank Kelley

Hello Marc,
Are you referring to Royal Artillery or those other badges from across the Empire?
Regards Frank

The Royal Regiment of Artillery.

The first badge in your image, slider mark circled.

Marc

[manchesters]

Marc,

You are seeing something thats not there.

here is a close up.

This is a genuine British RA early cap badge with loops at the ends of the bottom scroll.

regards

[54Bty]

Originally Posted by manchesters

Marc,

You are seeing something thats not there.

here is a close up.

This is a genuine British RA early cap badge with loops at the ends of the bottom scroll.

regards

I see what I thought was a slider mark is the crease in the base of the crown.

So a British pattern badge with Canada scroll and lower lugs added to match Canadian spec, prior to the setup for the Canada scroll badge.

Marc

[manchesters]

Originally Posted by 54Bty

I see what I thought was a slider mark is the crease in the base of the crown.

So a British pattern badge with Canada scroll and lower lugs added to match Canadian spec, prior to the setup for the Canada scroll badge.

Marc

Thats a massive assumption with no apparent evidence to back it up. Why should it be a badge destined for Canada?

I have 7 examples of overlaid CANADA banners on RA badges and NONE have 2 loops.

4 have 3 loops
2 have sliders
1 has blades

We may be at cross purposes, the first badge with a CANADA banner is on the BOTTOM row not the 2 looper at the top

regards

[54Bty]

Originally Posted by manchesters

We may be at cross purposes, the first badge with a CANADA banner is on the BOTTOM row not the 2 looper at the top

regards

Yep, when you wrote "the first badge" I assumed you meant the first badge, hence my post of that badge from your image. Now I understand you mean the first badge on the bottom row.

Marc

[Frank Kelley]

I think that the three that you mention here have to be early examples and really are quite uncommon, whilst I don't collect artillery in particular, they are certainly not something you see every day.

Originally Posted by manchesters

Marc,

Discounting the Gilt version and discounting the CANADA banner version that still leaves 2 flat wheel, GM badges with 3 loops and Gaunt plaques.

I dont what headgear they were manufactured to be worn on, but I suppose they must have been for either the Broderick cap, or the Forage Cap, or a Pagri on a Foreign Service Helmet or even a Slouch Hat if the RA ever wore those in the Edwardian period, I dont know.

PS - there is no mark showing where a slider was removed on the CANADA version, thats the Gaunt plaque.

regards

[Frank Kelley]

Hello Simon,
I've just had a look around to see if I actually had a good three lug Royal Artillery and I don't think I have, although I did find a really good NFA, I suspect that I only have the twin lug Edwardian things with their lugs applied to the reverse of their Ubique scroll, I also like the typical Great War things with their bent over sliders and brass/copper wire re enforcement to their top scrolls and guns.
Regards Frank

[manchesters]

Frank,

The NFA was often found with not just 3 but 4 loops, the very top one with a ring for securing the flap up on the slouch hat.

Also commonly found with three loops on NZFA, RNZA & NZA cap badges and also Royal Australian Artillery.

I also have a 3 loop Ceylon Artillery in WM, a Bronze Jamiaca Artillery.

regards

[Frank Kelley]

Hello Simon,
Yes, the loop for the slouch hat ring is perfectly normal on early Natal Field Artillery as well as the applied wheel and always very nice to see.
Regards Frank

[Frank Kelley]

Could you clarify that exactly please?
From my way of thinking, they were made in very considerable numbers, I encounter them at a ratio of perhaps one in five, that in itself suggests to me that they were issued to rank and file.

Originally Posted by 54Bty

Also mounted wheels are not the norm for issued OR's badges.

Marc

[54Bty]

Originally Posted by Frank Kelley

Could you clarify that exactly please?
From my way of thinking, they were made in very considerable numbers, I encounter them at a ratio of perhaps one in five, that in itself suggests to me that they were issued to rank and file.

They were private purchase.

Marc