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Old 19-07-17, 08:24 PM
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Is that an "F" under the dogs nose?

It appears that 228 Tank Transporter Coy was with "BNAF" around July 1943".

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Old 19-07-17, 08:59 PM
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I'm sure that is not an "F" but an army shield.

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Old 19-07-17, 09:30 PM
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I see what you mean Thomas, a Crusaders shield like the one on the other side for 1st Army or perhaps an occupation force as there is no sword on the cross of the shield? and the white stripe under the serial also signifies "Army Troop" attachment.

So the "B" probably is just B Platoon 228 Coy RASC.

And the reason its so "colourful" is just over exuberance on the part of the artist.

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Old 20-07-17, 05:44 AM
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Is this any better? Mike
20170720_Unident RASC Tank Transporter Unit signboard.01.jpg
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Old 20-07-17, 06:59 AM
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The cap badges still elude me, the closest I can get is to suggest RE worn by the man on the right.
If the dazzle camo "B" is an "R" (Radio), could the sign represent REME Radio Maintenance Detachment 861?
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Old 20-07-17, 10:46 AM
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Default 228 Company RASC (Tank Transporter)

...according to "Central Mediterranean Forces ASC Units". The sign shows "A Churchill tank being carried on a tyre". The company was originally a Divisional Ammunition Company, reforming as 15 Tank Transporter Company in March 1942.



The whole sign may look something like this:

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Old 20-07-17, 03:43 PM
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That's very impressive, thank you.

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Well done Rolfi. I think both shields are identical, the one on the left in direct sunlight and the one on the right in the shadow of the chap standing on the right.

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Thomas, I believe you're right

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Old 20-07-17, 09:07 PM
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That's a brilliant (collective) piece of work. Currently on the road, but I'll get back to it at the weekend. Thanks. Mike
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Old 21-07-17, 07:01 AM
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Hi

Looking at the board in the photograph it shows an arrow with 'Office' pointing to the right and your badge with the tank coming out of the tyre also faces the same way. Do you think that the was used in this case as a directional aid?

I have a board although I cannot recall where of the Black Cat of the 56th Inf Div showing the tail facing to the right rather than the left! The caption that was underneath it stated that it was an indicator, and if the tail was as straight then you would carry on going straight.

I have not come across any other examples of signs being used in this way and I wondered what the thoughts are about it.

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Old 21-07-17, 07:04 AM
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Hi

I should make it clear that I saw a photograph of the board in a book. I don't actually have the image.

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Old 21-07-17, 08:33 AM
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I believe that it is beyond doubt that the two shields at the foot of the board are the plain blue cross on red shield of 21 Army Group. Mike
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I should make it clear that I saw a photograph of the board in a book. I don't actually have the image.

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I believe that this sign - on the upper corner of the 56 Inf Div HQ's main briefing map board - was described in FM Gerald Templer's memoirs. Left Flanking attack - tail left, right flanking - tail right. Tail straight - straight up the middle! He was famous for having been wounded in Italy by a flying piano - when an Officers' Mess 3 ton truck ran over a mine trying to pull over onto a verge to let the GOC's Jeep pass. Mike
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Thank you for that information Mike.

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