Scots Guards - Officer's Forage Cap Stars or Collar Badges?

[Paddy]

Hello All

I have a few Scots Guards officer's badges that are all approx 25mm wide & high. The modern one I know is a forage cap star as I got it through service sources but I am unsure whether the other 4 are collar badges or forage cap stars (or maybe even used for both). Can someone please tell me if there is a way of telling the difference between a forage cap star and a collar badge or where they both used for the same purpose.

Many thanks in advance.

Paddy

[oc14]

Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think that the regiments of Foot Guards wear metal collar badges , so in my opinion I think that they are cap badges.

I'm sure someone will confirm this (or otherwise !)

PL

[Frank Kelley]

Depending upon the size, they will be either forage cap or SD cap, the latter being very small.

Originally Posted by Paddy

Hello All

I have a few Scots Guards officer's badges that are all approx 25mm wide & high. The modern one I know is a forage cap star as I got it through service sources but I am unsure whether the other 4 are collar badges or forage cap stars (or maybe even used for both). Can someone please tell me if there is a way of telling the difference between a forage cap star and a collar badge or where they both used for the same purpose.

Many thanks in advance.

Paddy

[dubaiguy]

They all look like officer’s small cap stars. There is a larger star which is 50mm x 50mm. The only collars worn by officers are in full and mess dress and these are embroidered.
Mark

[grenadierguardsman]

Originally Posted by oc14

Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think that the regiments of Foot Guards wear metal collar badges , so in my opinion I think that they are cap badges.

I'm sure someone will confirm this (or otherwise !)

PL

There was a period, late 1800's where the Grenadier Guards did were collar badges. There is photographic evidence on the internet, to prove this. And of course the Irish Guards did early 1900's, but then onwards they were not worn.
Andy

[Paddy]

Dear All

Many thanks for all your comments. All of the stars shown are approx 25mm so I was expecting them to be forage cap stars so it sounds good so far. The thing that had me a bit confused is the section covering the Royal Scots collar badges in Churchill's Collar Badge History states that at one stage the Royal Scots also wore as collar badges the same badges worn by officers of the Scots Guards (Shown on page 18 & 19, Fig 10 & 15). Did he mean the Scots Guards also wore these as collar badges or does he mean the Royal Scots wore as collar badges the Scots Guards officer's forage cap stars. (Confused? I am).

Many thanks

Paddy

[mike_vee]

From The Royal Scots website :

"The officers cap and collar badges date from 1931 when they replaced the patterns adopted in 1881 which were identical to the cap badge worn by officers of the Scots Guards. The 1931 change applied only to the Regular Battalions and the 7/9th (Highlanders) Battalion continue to wear the former (Scots Guards) pattern until their amalgamation with the 8th Battalion in 1961."

https://www.theroyalscots.co.uk/badges-and-tartan/

Don't know if this helps or just adds more confusion.

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[Paddy]

Mike

Many thanks, I think that answers the question for me as it says Scots Guards cap badges were worn as collars.

Many thanks

Paddy

[Alex Rice]

Some really nice badges there, thanks for showing them. I've never seen the modern pattern like that before.
Cheers.