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Old 22-10-23, 03:01 PM
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Default Victorian Convict Guard Helmet Plate

I have only ever come across this example and a photo of one in Colin R Owens Book The Military Badges and Insignia of Southern Africa.
I wondered if any member has any further knowledge regarding the Helmet plate.
Did the Convict Guard accompany the transport ship or where they only used to guard the convicts working at their destination ? Finally why was the wreath surround made up of two different plants ?
Thank you for any help in advance.
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Old 22-10-23, 04:48 PM
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That is a lovely looking badge never seen another,is it lugged or does it have screw backed fittings.

Hope you do not mind I have rotated the badge around looking forward to others comments.

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Old 22-10-23, 05:24 PM
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Thank you Stephen I attempted to turn it to the position you did but failed miserably. Hopefully someone will be able in the details I am requesting..
Suffering from Anemia at the moment hence lack of connection with you.
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Old 22-10-23, 05:28 PM
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I agree with Stephen, " A lovely badge" I have not seen or heard of it before so likewise am looking forward to more comments.

Congrats on a nice find indeed.
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Old 22-10-23, 10:41 PM
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Cape Rural Police have a similar wreath your badge’s crown appears earlier design IMO
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Old 23-10-23, 12:12 PM
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An interesting badge, which I've not seen before. Thanks for posting it.

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Did the Convict Guard accompany the transport ship or where they only used to guard the convicts working at their destination ?
They would have guarded the convicts at the convict stations. Unlike the Australian colonies, the Cape was not a penal colony and convicts were not shipped there (except on one notable occasion in 1849, which triggered a popular revolt that forced the imperial government to send the ship on to Australia).

The convicts were used from the 1840s onwards as labourers, to build a road network, including mountain passes. In the 1860s, they were also used to build a breakwater and docks in Table Bay.

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Finally why was the wreath surround made up of two different plants ?
This seems to have been a common practice. Similar wreaths can be found in police and military badges too.
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Old 28-10-23, 08:42 AM
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Arthur,
Thank you very much for such a comprehensive reply which has fully answered my original request cor info. Thank you very much. Gwynne (Bantam)
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Old 28-10-23, 11:39 AM
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Indeed very interesting information very informative on such an interesting piece of History
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