King's Liverpool Cap Badge (Opinions Please) - British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum

#1 29-10-14, 01:43 PM

Hi All

Got this Liverpool Regiment badge and thoughts on it would be very welcome indeed.
Thought it was a WW1 type but after looking through the Gallery and Albums found out it wasn't.

Thanks for looking

Paul.

KLR · #2 29-10-14, 01:53 PM

Paul, it is Pattern 14312/1950 which was introduced in March 1950 but it was stated that supplies of the previous 1926 Pattern should be used up before this one was issued. It is often described as a 'beret badge' but in fact it was sealed for wear on all types of headdress - it's just that the beret was the most common headgear at the time ! It was worn up to 1958 by the King's Regt before they amalgamated with the Manchester Regt. Thereafter it was worn by the surviving 5th Territorial Bn of the 'new' King's up to 1967. It was then - and still is - worn by the LU OTC. Makers included Gaunt and Smith & Wright and, of course, 'anon' !.An anodised version appeared in the early 1960s.
J

#3 29-10-14, 06:22 PM

A very big thank you J.

Absolutely outstanding information ( yet again totally fantastic )

My very best wishes

Paul.

Mike H · #4 30-10-14, 06:26 PM

The anodised version also has "seeding" on the scrolls on the older versions.

KLR · #5 30-10-14, 07:37 PM

Yes, according to Chris (Hagwalther) unseeded AA badges appeared in about 1964. I have a BM King's of the type discussed above that is unseeded so I guess it's a 5th Bn type. The AA version must have been after 1959 as it is not listed in the CCN list for that year. The SP card for the unseeded type (for LU OTC) is dated 1971 !!

Peter Brydon · #6 30-10-14, 08:38 PM

Here is a SP card from my collection.

P.B.

KLR · #7 31-10-14, 07:37 AM

Yes, that's the one for the LU OTC - according to CCN and COSA . The King's Regt (Liverpool) hadn't existed for 13 years.

#8 31-10-14, 11:19 AM

Thanks very much for all the fine information about the history of this cap badge.

My very best wishes to you all.

Absolutely Outstanding.

Paul.

Mike H · #9 31-10-14, 07:23 PM

When i get home from Italy , ill post images of both the seeded and unseeded versions of the a/a badge.

KLR · #10 31-10-14, 08:51 PM

Sono stato in Italia qualche settimana fa. Sto ancora cercando di riaggiustare !

Mike H · #11 03-11-14, 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KLR

Sono stato in Italia qualche settimana fa. Sto ancora cercando di riaggiustare !

My Italian is horrendous, so I cant read it .
Anyway heres the images. The red background is the seeded version.

KLR · #12 03-11-14, 07:09 AM

Seeded versions - only worn by 5th Bn - were made by Firmin and by Gaunt.
Unseeded versions - only worn by LUOTC - were made by Firmin and by Dowler.

(They were only superfluous remarks about enjoying myself in Italy a few weeks ago ! I hope you did too)

Peter Brydon · #13 03-11-14, 07:16 AM

I have been trying for some time to find out which version of the anodised cap badge was worn by Liverpool Institute CCF but without success.

If anyone can help please let me know.

Thanks

P.B.

Alan O · #14 03-11-14, 08:21 AM

Peter
As the BD uniform preceded the unseeded version's sealed pattern date then should it not be the 5th Bn version with seeded scroll? That is assuming that the abdges theya re wearing are a/a and not old bi-metal ones.

Peter Brydon · #15 03-11-14, 09:08 AM

Alan,

The school closed in 1985, I don't know if the CCF lasted until then ( with the party in power on the City Council at the time anything connected with the military was almost certainly non PC )

I posted the pictures of the cadets in battledress because they are the only photos I have showing the smaller size Kings badge being worn by the unit.

I can see where you are coming from but the non seeded anodised badge would have been available for some time before the demise of the school and possibly the end of the CCF.

Peter