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Old 27-09-16, 08:16 PM
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It is quite often notoriously difficult to identify the period and use of metal eagles used on Commonwealth Naval and Air Force uniforms.
As I understand it, one of the generally accepted determinants of RNAS eagles is that they initially incorporated three posts or more accurately, a WWI era eagle with three posts was used by the RNAS. They can be found in pickled brass, or gold gilt and cast from various brass/bronze alloys. Many were manufactured in two, carefully soldered pieces. The back plate frequently had two small vent holes which released the gas formed during heating and soldering. They were manufactured between 1913 and 1918 for the RNAS and all the examples below measure 54mm in width, plus or minus 1mm. One general observation Iíve noticed is they all have a more slender and elegant wing compared to later issued wings such as the WWI RAF versions.
Initially, the eagle faced right (from the viewers perspective) as they were worn on the left sleeve (and the eagle was always supposed to be looking ďbehindĒ). In June of 1917, regulations approved the eagles to be worn on both sleeves and thus the left handed eagle was introduced.
Below are examples of what I think meet the requirements for RNAS eagles but Iím open to discussion by those who are more knowledgeable and experienced in this area of collecting, particularly for the last item.
The first composite image illustrates a RNAS sleeve eagle which is described by Warren Carroll as being for the blue uniform. It has the backing plate, three posts and one remaining notched, circular nut. The 2nd picture is similar in design but cast in one piece and has interesting knurled nuts. Perhaps the nuts can reveal something about the date or manufacturer? The 3rd item is a pin conversion of a variation of the three post, single die cast eagle made sometime after 1914. It is not uncommon to find these conversions for those who served overseas and, according to Carroll (p. 41, Eagles Recalled), worn above the left pocket on the khaki uniforms. In the last example, it perhaps requires a little more imagination to be convinced the 3rd post was present before the pin was added. However, there is a slightly raised surface and grind marks in the tail feather area that suggest this is the case. I suspect this pin went onto to a third incarnation as there is a tiny loop on one win tip which could have facilitated its use on a charm or sweetheart. One often finds sweetheart eagles with pin backs making it very difficult, if not impossible, to determine if the given eagle was initially used by a serviceman or made for and given to a loved one, especially I think with RAF and interwar examples.
I would welcome any corrections and expansions by Forum members on any of the above. I recognize this has been discussed in the past and I for one, could use a refresher.
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Old 28-09-16, 06:43 AM
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Hi Zorgon
Always good to try and pinpoint the variations etc, they are stunning badges.
Here's a link to an earlier discussion on these eagles which may be of some use.
Cheers,
Alex
http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ad.php?t=43309
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Old 28-09-16, 07:53 AM
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..just to complicate matters ...the 1918 RAF eagle , I have examples with two bolts ,eagles facing no notch in tail and also the three bolt variety. The early RNAS ,issue is very three dimensional and highly detailed...these are three bolt ,but were issued sometimes with a pin..for wear in tropical clothing. The RNAS,eagle is more distinct in form and more detailed than the later RAF 1918 eagles.

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Old 28-09-16, 07:53 AM
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RNAS, issue pin back.
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Old 28-09-16, 07:56 AM
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RNAS pilots eagle.1913 initial issue (directly copied from the Bijou FIX eagles), once heavily gilded Royal Naval Air Service (RNAS) pilot badge. three thin posts to the rear have been removed and replaced by securing pin produced by J & Co The quality of these badges diminished over the years and as different companies began ramping up production the accuracy and level of detail became much lower, much cheaper to produce.
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Old 28-09-16, 07:59 AM
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Early RNAS, pilot J&Co wing circa 1913/14.
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Old 28-09-16, 08:03 AM
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The French "Fix" eagles which influenced the design of the RNAS, eagles.
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Old 28-09-16, 08:06 AM
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This man served in the RNAS and RAF, both eagles are solid form ,three bolt varieties...the RAF 1918 retains original part of tunic.
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Old 28-09-16, 08:11 AM
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RNAS, pilot circa 1914
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Old 28-09-16, 08:23 AM
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RAF, 1918 sleeve eagles.
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Old 28-09-16, 08:25 AM
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RAF 1918 sleeve eagles.
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Old 28-09-16, 08:29 AM
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RAF ,3 bolt., 1918
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Old 28-09-16, 08:31 AM
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RAF , 1918 conversion to pin back...not issued like this.
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Old 28-09-16, 08:33 AM
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1918 RAF. produced pin back.
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Old 28-09-16, 08:36 AM
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RAF ,1918 sleeve /tunic eagle two bolt. came from a pilot who only served in WW1.
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