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Old 06-04-14, 04:33 PM
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Default Arc titles: 1st Punjab and Royal Sikh Rgt

Two embroidered cloth arc titles, one to the 1st Punjab Regiment, the second one to the Royal Sikh Regiment. It looks like in WWII Indian regiments would rather wear slip on epaulettes titles, usually woven, so I must infer these are post war pre partition titles, or is there any evidence of such titles being worn on BD blouses, for example? Thank you so much in advance!
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Old 07-04-14, 09:57 AM
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I will put it carefully: I never heard about a Royal Sikh Regiment in the British Indian Army.
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Old 07-04-14, 10:04 AM
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2nd Btn Royal Sikh Regiment postcards are available at the National Army Museum

Iraq 1941: The Battles for Basra, Habbaniya, Fallujah and Baghdad. <------- sound familiar! ;o)
This comprised: 3 Jat Regiment 2 Royal Sikh Regiment 1 Mahratta Light Infantry Dispositions of Iraq Force as at 20 June 1941 Northern Iraq (HQ 20 Indian)....
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Old 07-04-14, 10:42 AM
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I am baffled

Those list in the upper part of the page is very strange. Below it we see references to battalions of the numbered regiment of the Indian Army, like 4/13 Frontier Force Rifles, which is of course short for 4th (Wilde's) Bn, 13th Frontier Force Rifles.. Same for 3/11 Sikhs,, which is short for 3rd Bn (Rattray's Sikhs), 11th Sikh Regiment.

But the list at the top, which you cite has 3 Jat Regiment, which should have been 3/9 Jat Regiment and 1 Mahratta Light Infantry should have been 1/5 Mahratta Light Infantry when the same notation as lower on that page would have been used. Why so inconsistent?

And I am very much interested in that 2 Royal Sikh Regiment. As said, I personaly never have seen it mentioned. But Google gives entries about: 2nd Royal Battalion (Ludhiana Sikhs), 11th Sikh Regiment!

That would mean that the "Royal" belongs to the Battalion, not to the Regiment (11th Sikh Regiment) A case of sloppy use of the titles, as well as in the book as on the shoulder title.

BTW, the 2nd (Ludhiana Sikhs) Bn, 11th Sikh Regiment originated from the 15th Ludhiana Sikhs. I am not aware of any date when this Battalion was made Royal. Anybody that can help me here?
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Old 07-04-14, 12:35 PM
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'I will put it carefully: I never heard about a Royal Sikh Regiment in the British Indian Army.'

1. lesser royal sikhs with the (P)FF and the Pioneers
2. lt gen francis tuker's book (cassell, 1950, pg 481 etc)
'while memory serves' has pointed comments.
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Old 07-04-14, 12:46 PM
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1. lesser royal sikhs with the (P)FF and the Pioneers
They have the words "Royal" and "Sikh" in some combination in their titles, but they are not The Royal Sikh Regiment.

Using the correct titles is always important, but the more so in the Indian Army and it's predecessors. It is very easy to create confusion.
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