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03-10-09, 08:48 AM
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What are these?
Hi, Can anyone tell me about theses badges,
The first I've seen listed as the 227th Independent Infantry Brigade! but I've also seen it listed as the Orkney and Shetland Defence Command. Which is right? The next I believe is the 80thh Infantry Division. My interest is in collecting insignia with a maritime connection! This badge clearly has the image of a ship on it, does the division have a maritime connection? Next is, I believe the 264th Scottish Beach Brigade, when was this badge worn (WW2 of after) and what units made up this division? The last two are described as Army Emergency R.E and Port Commando R.E. I've been unable to find any references on these units, any ideas? Regards Tony 
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03-10-09, 12:51 PM
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Good Morning Sailorbear, I am new into british patches but I will venture to name these for you & stand to be corrected in the meantime, I have No 1 as 430th Coast Regt. RA
##2,,,80th Br. Infantry but no div or bde etc #3 ,,264th Scottish beach Bde # 4 ,,Royal Engineers AER Field & work Unit #5, Port Commando I have another like # 1 but in blue listed as Ornkey & Shetland defence RA, Can you tell me what AER means in the Field & work unit? Ray Last edited by boots and saddles; 03-10-09 at 01:13 PM.
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03-10-09, 02:27 PM
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the 80th Infantry is the 80th Infantry (Reserve) Division (UK) or so it says on Wikipedia and at www.petergh.f2s.com/flashes.html, though I still cant determine whether the ship signfies any maritime connection? The 430th Coast Regiment appearently is the 430th Coast Regiment RA (Orkney) T.A. part of 105 coast Brigade with its HQ at kirkwell ! Except that in other sources it is described as 227 Independent Infantry Brigade Orkney Command ? The Port Commando RE I cant find any reference to? So still pretty confused! Regards Tony
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03-10-09, 02:32 PM
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Regards Tony Last edited by sailorbear; 03-10-09 at 02:44 PM.
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03-10-09, 02:51 PM
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Fouled anchor badge
Hi Sailorbear,
In Guido Rosignoli's book 'Army badges & Insignia Since 1945' published in 1973 p119 under the heading 'Garrisons & other formations'; '' The formation sign of the Orkney & Shetland Defences was a red fouled anchor embroidered on dark blue felt. The same anchor, but smaller & on a round background, was adopted after the War by the local TA units, nominally the Orkney & Zetland Battery, 540 Rgt (The Lovat Scouts), RA.'' Hope that helps, Alan.
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03-10-09, 03:10 PM
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Hi sailorbear, the significance of the ship of the 80th Div. was because the division had a training and drafting role. The latter function was said to be the reason for the Divisional badge, a liner steaming across the high seas.
From; Formation Badges of WW2, Howard Cole. Jo
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03-10-09, 04:34 PM
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03-10-09, 08:06 PM
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More interesting dialogue. Fantastic.
Now Empire collector would this one That I have on a round background & labeled 430th Coast Regt. RA TA be labeled wrong? My 227th Inf. Bde is on a square background. My Orkney & Shetland is on a lighter blue Square background. Tony the Anchor is listed on a square background in Rosignoli's book. I don't remember where I got the round picture maybe from ebay, couldn't say. Ray Last edited by boots and saddles; 03-10-09 at 08:29 PM.
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04-10-09, 08:39 AM
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the other two images of a red anchor within a red circle on a black circle, (which appear very sligtly different from each other) are the 430th Coast Regt RA? Presumably both are something to do with the Orkneys? So which one was to be used post war by the TA? The last image is the beach brigade and nothing to do with the previous two formations? Confused regards Tony
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04-10-09, 09:28 AM
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Interesting side note.....
Red (fouled) Anchor & Circle, on a (lighter ?) Blue background also listed as "RND divisional patch as worn by support troops, notably Artillery units" Pic shows the 'hooks' quite long & reaching up close to the 'cross bar' here. From a book reference.....copy page.....title unknown ,to me. WW1 Cheers ! Steve
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04-10-09, 12:46 PM
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The printed Red Anchor on pale blue circle edged red is a WW2 Beach Groups sign, not a WW1 RND patch.
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#12
04-10-09, 05:41 PM
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Yes the printed one I have listed as Beach Group,, The 430th is the round patch, the 227th is the square patch, & according to my list the Orkney & shetland is on a lighter blue background (quite a bit lighter but not a Royal blue) & square. Of course mistakes abound in this field especially where they are so much alike. According to my listings Tony you are not showing an Orkney at all. But I just got my names from other sources ,like ebay sellers etc, who are notorously famous for mis-information. This is as confusing to me as it is to you. Ray
Last edited by boots and saddles; 04-10-09 at 05:50 PM.
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04-10-09, 08:51 PM
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Hi there , further to earlier answers ,
the 264th SCOTS BEACH GROUP was formed in 1945 for the intended invasion of Japan the war ended before they could be employed . Im not certain the unit even left these shores ? if any one can confirm please do . The other fouled anchor badge i think may well be RND support troops ,i had a photo of a Machine gun corps unit wearing this sign , there are some ` top flight ` RND collectors on he who can offer more , if you could show better photos that would be great ,also a picture of the back would help to date its constuction , thanks for showing , Nemo. Last edited by NEMO; 04-10-09 at 09:05 PM.
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06-10-09, 12:47 AM
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