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The quality is far to high for a car badge Thomas. The strike and finish are better than the 1964 version with lugs i have .
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Morning Mike.I have had in the past two examples of this badge.You are correct the one you have in this thread is as you rightly say is better quality than the other 1964 example you mention with loops.
My take on it is that it started out life looped and has been converted in its life time.If this is the case then its probably a one off for a private reason on behalf of the owner at the time. |
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It might be useful to look at this another way. If this was not the pouch belt badge worn by the SNCOs of the Green Jackets Brigade, especially the 1st Battalions (late Oxf & Bucks LI), then what was the badge used for that purpose?
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Could you give us some measurements on size please Mike?
Cheers, Mark |
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Morning.If you think about it this way.Say the rank of colour Sgt & above means Snr ncos?.That gives us say a ball park figure of around 15? serving in a battalion at any one time.If you put all the heads on this forum together,No one has seen one before.It is a living memory badge I am sure they would have come to the collectors market before now.
I suppose if its not a snr ncos badge it could have been converted to go on a wooden shield to make a trophy?Some type of mess tradition to be mounted & put on a table? regards Gary |
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Its the same size as the standard cap badge Mark. Approx 44mm high.
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I did have 2.ideas which maybe work. Both involve conversion from lugs to screwposts. 1) Crossbelt for a cadet RSM,as Toby mentioned ,on the narrower belt. 2) Pouch badge for the 1st Btn as the never brought a crossbelt or pouch badge to the party. |
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The cross belt back pouch badge is the same size for both groups though. In terms of screw length and north/south position, Mike's badge does seem to have very similar fittings to a back pouch badge - see image of the current Rifles version below - but the design seems wrong to me. I don't have much definitive material on dress regulations for the RB in the Green Jacket Brigade period, or for the RGJ, but in 1958 would the back pouch badge for the Rifle Brigade not have been the strung hunting horn? Under current Rifles dress regulations, the SNCO's version of the badge worn on the front of the cross belt is smaller than the Officer/WO equivalent, but of the same design, and it still carries the battle honours that are missing here. Mark |
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Toby,if you look online,there is a set of dress regs regarding the Ox & Bucks LI.
It covers dress,badges etc. The change of size of the badge down to what we call the beret badge size. Change of shoulder titles . I dont recall a mention of Bandsmen ,who would have worn a pouch. There is however a pouch badge on screws thats the same as the beret badge. This is chrome and on 2 screws,my thought on it is that is to the Light Division band. |
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Fair comment Toby - but I was picking up on Mike acquiring this badge alongside a 1937 hallmarked RB badge.
Fully agree the OBLI/1st Green Jackets (43rd and 52nd) prior to 1958 were redcoats and did not wear crossbelts meaning a big culture shock when they went into rifle green. Not so sure about KRRC and RB retaining their insignia after 1958 though. The 1958 KRRC Chronicle has this on the matter ... Quote:
The similarity to Mike's badge is clear. It also resolves for me the issue of the tablet between cross and crown containing 'PENINSULA' rather than 'WATERLOO' as per the RB's badge. I was scratching my head over that! The gobbet from the KRRC Chronicle above strongly suggests the badges were standardised across all three regiments in the Green Jacket Brigade. If this badge is a back pouch badge, then it could be from any of the three regiments. I'll do a trawl through my 1950's KRRC material to see if I can spot a back pouch badge in a photo, though I guess this will be a long shot Mark Last edited by MBrockway; 18-10-17 at 12:12 PM. |
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No proof as to what happened in 1958 of course. Mark |
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I can confirm though that the cap badge was the silver wreathed Maltese Cross as per Mike's example, not the old blackened KRRC Maltese Cross nor the old KRRC cherry, but that the front cross belt badge was the standard pre-1958 KRRC Maltese Cross with battle honours, NOT the new Green Jackets Brigade badge. This is in line with the final edition of A Brief History of the KRRC by Wallace: "some idiosyncratic customs and dress distinctions persisted". The current Rifles cross belt and furniture would set you back over £300 for a plate set and more than £1000 for a sterling silver set. Not surprising then if regimental cross belt badge distinctions were retained! No help on the key question as to whether the three regiments switched to a new back pouch badge in 1958 though Mark Last edited by MBrockway; 21-10-17 at 01:26 AM. |
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