British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum

Recent Books by Forum Members

   

Go Back   British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum > British Military Insignia > Royal Artillery, Royal Engineers and Royal Signals.

 Other Pages: Galleries, Links etc.
Glossary  Books by Forum Members     Canadian Pre 1914    CEF    CEF Badge Inscriptions   Canadian post 1920     Canadian post 1953     British Cavalry Badges     Makers' Marks    Pipers' Badges  Canadian Cloth Titles  Books  SEARCH
 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 26-09-17, 07:59 PM
Peter Brydon's Avatar
Peter Brydon Peter Brydon is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Chester
Posts: 10,367
Default Artillery Volunteers prize item

This interesting item raises some queries:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Antique-Mi...53.m1438.l2649

Who were the 1st W.A.V. ?

Most of the Lancashire Artillery Volunteers seemed to have had numbered Batteries, so where does E Battery fit in ?

Colonel Steble was originally in the 74th Lancashire Rifle Volunteers and became a Captain in the 1st Lancashire Rifle Volunteers in 1862 and does not appear to have been a member of the Artillery.

Any thoughts appreciated.

Thanks

P.B.
__________________
Interested in all aspects of militaria/military history but especially insignia and history of non regular units with a Liverpool connection

Members welcome in my private Facebook group “The Kings Liverpool Regiment ( 1685-1958 )”
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 27-09-17, 07:21 AM
grey_green_acorn's Avatar
grey_green_acorn grey_green_acorn is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Kent, UK
Posts: 5,854
Default

Peter,
Is that a 'W' or could it be something else?

If a W then it is assumed a North West connection? What about Westmorland or Western...?

Tim
__________________
"Manui dat cognitio vires - Knowledge gives strength to the arm"
"Better to know it but not need it than to need it and not know it!"
"Have more than thou showest, speak less than thou knowest."
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 27-09-17, 07:33 AM
Peter Brydon's Avatar
Peter Brydon Peter Brydon is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Chester
Posts: 10,367
Default

Tim,

I did wonder if it might be some thing other than a W.

Peter
__________________
Interested in all aspects of militaria/military history but especially insignia and history of non regular units with a Liverpool connection

Members welcome in my private Facebook group “The Kings Liverpool Regiment ( 1685-1958 )”
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 27-09-17, 08:32 AM
altcar73 altcar73 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Formby, Merseyside
Posts: 1,976
Default

An interesting one Peter. The "Steble Fountain", still in situ at the top of William Brown Street and Commutation Row. A small world!

Dave.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 27-09-17, 08:45 AM
Mike Jackson's Avatar
Mike Jackson Mike Jackson is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 6,329
Default

From the same vendor:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/POSTCARD-x...IAAOSwKfVXLd8z

The lower photograph - an interesting Yeoman or cavalryman amongst the cooks.
Mike
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 27-09-17, 08:50 AM
High Wood's Avatar
High Wood High Wood is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 4,575
Default

Ooops
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 27-09-17, 11:49 AM
Peter Brydon's Avatar
Peter Brydon Peter Brydon is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Chester
Posts: 10,367
Default

It occurs to me that a lot of Rifle Volunteer units had local names for example Warrington Rifles, Astley Rifles etc etc.

Not really comes across similar names in connection with Artillery Volunteer units but I wonder if some units did and does anyone have any examples ?

P.B.
__________________
Interested in all aspects of militaria/military history but especially insignia and history of non regular units with a Liverpool connection

Members welcome in my private Facebook group “The Kings Liverpool Regiment ( 1685-1958 )”
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 27-09-17, 01:11 PM
grey_green_acorn's Avatar
grey_green_acorn grey_green_acorn is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Kent, UK
Posts: 5,854
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Brydon View Post
It occurs to me that a lot of Rifle Volunteer units had local names for example Warrington Rifles, Astley Rifles etc etc.

Not really comes across similar names in connection with Artillery Volunteer units but I wonder if some units did and does anyone have any examples ?

P.B.
Peter,
Extensive information here but I can't see an obvious match:

http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/media/5...volunteers.pdf

Tim
__________________
"Manui dat cognitio vires - Knowledge gives strength to the arm"
"Better to know it but not need it than to need it and not know it!"
"Have more than thou showest, speak less than thou knowest."
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 27-09-17, 02:40 PM
Peter Brydon's Avatar
Peter Brydon Peter Brydon is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Chester
Posts: 10,367
Default

Thanks Tim,

That is a great resource.

Peter
__________________
Interested in all aspects of militaria/military history but especially insignia and history of non regular units with a Liverpool connection

Members welcome in my private Facebook group “The Kings Liverpool Regiment ( 1685-1958 )”
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 27-09-17, 02:57 PM
Cribyn's Avatar
Cribyn Cribyn is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Carmarthenshire, Wales
Posts: 1,718
Default

Just a thought, but does there have to be a Lancashire or northern connection here for the 'W A V' part of this?

Is it possible that 'Lieut Col. Steble J.P Liverpool' ('Justice of the Peace, Liverpool', I take it) was simply the person who gave/donated the trophy and that it was awarded on a wider, regional basis, rather than just a local one?

If so, then the '1st W A V' could be the Worcestershire Artillery Volunteers who, in about 1880 combined with the 1st Monmouthshire Artillery Volunteers to become the 1st Worcester (Worcester & Monmouth) Artillery Volunteer Corps, possibly abbreviated to '1st W A V' and they, at least, did have an 'E Battery' in around 1884.

Just a thought and probably very wide of the mark!

Roger
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 27-09-17, 03:00 PM
Peter Brydon's Avatar
Peter Brydon Peter Brydon is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Chester
Posts: 10,367
Default

Thanks Roger,

That does broaden the possibilities.

Peter
__________________
Interested in all aspects of militaria/military history but especially insignia and history of non regular units with a Liverpool connection

Members welcome in my private Facebook group “The Kings Liverpool Regiment ( 1685-1958 )”
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

mhs link

All times are GMT. The time now is 02:45 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.