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Old 28-08-09, 12:13 PM
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Default BC HORSE titles

A set of BC / HORSE metal titles are being offered on ebay at the moment. This pattern is not listed in association with the 31 BC Horse pre-1914 cap badge in Mazeas Canadian Militia Badges Pre 1914. However, these titles are shown in Mazeas Canadian Badges 1920-1950, as C44a. I believe Phil discussed these in another string earlier, and indicated that they were not the 20-50 period.
Scarce titles, and a bit of a confusing provenance.
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Old 28-08-09, 09:24 PM
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The dealer who is selling these titles is also selling a 31st BC Horse cap badge, a pair of collar badges and some horse tack.
The 31st BC Horse shoulder titles are curved, 31/BC HORSE.
The BC/HORSE titles have been attributed to the 1st and 2nd Regiments British Columbia Horse. All of these that I have seen were cast.
All of the large pattern 31st BC Horse cap and collar badges that I have seen have the JR Gaunt plate on the back as well as small tangs and a thin brass plate to keep a red cloth backing in the voided portion of the badge.

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Hi Chaps

I was lucky enough to find one of the cast BC/Horse shoulder titles which are the subject of this thread (7 years old!).

I had thought it might be from 30th and/or 31st BC Horse, 1911-1920.

However, reading Phillip's comments above this doesn't appear to be the case.

Could someone clarify who wore them please and when? I'm not sure when the 1st & 2nd Regts BC Horse existed.

Any info much appreciated.

David
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Old 20-09-16, 02:32 PM
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David, could you post an image of the title?
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David, could you post an image of the title?
Hi Bill

Wish I could but not possible at the moment. Will try to describe:

B.C over (curved) HORSE
cast brass, quite thick gauge
2 "long" brass loops
aprox 45mm wide, 25mm high.

Best I can do for now!

David

PS.... forgot to mention - no sign that it has ever had a number at the top......

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Old 20-09-16, 03:04 PM
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I will defer to Phil for his comments. His expertise is on British Columbia regiments.
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Old 20-09-16, 04:08 PM
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Just been advised they were worn 1910 until 1911/1912. Hopefully Phil can confirm this, or otherwise!

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From:

http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dhh-...li/BCD-eng.asp

This Reserve Force regiment originated in Vernon, British Columbia on 1 April 1911, when two four-squadron regiments designated the 'British Columbia Horse' were authorized to be formed.1 It was redesignated: '1st Regiment, "British Columbia Horse"' on 1 December 1911;2 '30th Regiment, British Columbia Horse' on 15 April 1912;3 'The British Columbia Mounted Rifles' on 15 March 1920;4 'The British Columbia Dragoons' on 15 March 1929;5 '2nd (Reserve) Regiment, The British Columbia Dragoons' on 11 February 1941;6 '9th (Reserve) Armoured Regiment, (The British Columbia Dragoons)' on 1 April 1941;7 '9th Reconnaissance Regiment (The British Columbia Dragoons), RCAC' on 1 April 1946;8 'The British Columbia Dragoons (9th Reconnaissance Regiment)' on 4 February 1949;9 and 'The British Columbia Dragoons' on 19 May 1958.10
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So Phil, the BC/HORSE titles would date to the 1911 period as you indicate above, in post #2.
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So Phil, the BC/HORSE titles would date to the 1911 period as you indicate above, in post #2.
That's how I read it - 1911-1912. Certainly not in use for very long!

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Word of warning.
Hugh Bondy made copies of these shoulder titles and the 31st BC Horse cap and collar badges for a group of re-enactors.

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Default 2nd CMR BC Horse WW1

Looking for shoulder titles, brass die struck for the 2nd CMR BC horse WW1

I am new to this forum , please excuse me if I am not using the correct protocol. I would like to post a photo of what I am looking for but not computer smart enough to figure out how to do it.

Any assistance is greatly appreciated.

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