Sergeants stripes yellow on red

[sapper533]

Hi folks

Any help with these, golden yellow on red, they look quite old.

I have a Royal Marines vocab number for a similar one but wondered if any Infantry or Cavalry regiments wore them on scarlet tunics.

Regards
Sean

[bobscot]

Corps of Commissionaires ?

[Paddy]

Sean

I have one the same in my Royal Marines collection.

Paddy

[sapper533]

Thanks Paddy, I hadn't thought of Royal Marines until I spotted it online from the RM museum collection with a vocab number, which uniform would have been worn on and what period.
Cheers
Sean

[grey_green_acorn]

Link:
https://rmhistorical.com/files/content/NCO%20Sgt.pdf

Tim

[Paddy]

Hello Sean

Not sure what order of dress they were worn on or the time frame but the first mention I have seen of that colour mix is in GO24 the clothing price list of 1906, Yellow on Scarlet. In GO33 of 1907, Price List of Clothing it is described as, Chevrons & GC Badges, Yellow worsted lace on scarlet cloth. The last mention I can see is GO21 of 1923. That colour scheme is not present in GO19 of 1924, Price List of Clothing.

Paddy

[sapper533]

Many thanks Paddy that's very interesting
Cheers
Sean

[Toby Purcell]

Royal Artillery Corporals** and below (**Bombardiers after 1920) had also been decreed yellow worsted stripes on scarlet backing from 1833. They were additionally used in an inverted orientation as good conduct badges so three and four bar combinations not impossible. Full sergeants and above had gold lace, with all other NCO ranks eventually joining them, in 1860. I suspect that there was a historic link dress wise with the Royal Marines Artillery, some forms of whose dress had traditionally been quite similar. When the RMLI and RMA merged post WW1 the combined corps adopted elements of dress from both, but with RMA aspects ascendant, especially concerning upper garments and the insignia thereon. I don’t think there’s any doubt that such well preserved stripes are almost certainly from the Royal Marines in this case.

[cbuehler]

Did not some cavalry regiments (eg. Hussars) use these yellow worsted stripes on scarlet as good conduct badges as well?

CB

[Phil2M]

Originally Posted by bobscot

Corps of Commissionaires ?

No, the CoC ones are angled rather than vertical on the end cuts. They are also made with a more metallic finish like bullion, rather than a flat cotton yellow.