Wartime USN sleeve insignia

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I am not too conversant with USN insignia so I am seeking background info on this CPO's sleeve badge.
Embroidered dark blue on khaki, the rear shows the thread worked into the design and forming the date '1943'. Would this be normal/official practice?

Any idea on value of such items?

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[JBCannon]

GTB;
Your rating is for a photographer, and was made for the khaki/tan Chief's uniform. This and many other navy rating were made during the war with the dates embroidered on the back. Navy ratings are not a great area of interest to me, but I don't think your piece is going for more than $5-$6.
Jim

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Another possibly US chevron, this time I'm totally in the dark concerning what it is. Appreciate an i.d.

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[Just]

Hello GTB
http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Other...s/C026073.html
cordially
Didier

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Thanks ever so much, Didier. A superb site.

All,
While on same subject, I'm posting 2 other bits with threaded signature 'Liona'. Perhaps the war-worker/seamstress employed by the USN?

A final request. Is there any evident way of telling a wartime badge from a current one?

Thanks

[irish]

You will see dates sewn into the back of many WW2 navy rates. 1943, 1944 etc. In this case someone appears to have sewn their name in place of date. One way to tell WW2 period rates ( in lieu of a date on reverse ) is the chevrons are a separate piece of cloth sewn down to main rating material. As opposed to direct embroidered chevrons which are common on post war rates and beyond.

[irish]

Examples of WW2 USN Rates. In this case a parachute rigger. Note that the chevrons are applied and sewn down with a distinctive type stitch which shows well on the reverse. I Believe "NYEC" is the New York Embroidery Co.

This type of manufacture was also used pre WW2 and as far back as WW1. However other characteristics will better define WW1 era rates

Post WW2 manufactured rates have direct embroidered chevrons and when dated would indicate year of manufacture. There may be a few examples where this does not hold true however it is a good rule of them when evaluating rates as to the era of use.

US Marine Corps rank chevrons from the WW2 and earlier era also have similar characteristics

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Thanks. Irish. Photos are a lot better than words.

2 other queries:
How can one tell period when there are no chevrons?
How to distinguish USCG from USN?

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[Garth Thompson]

Originally Posted by GTB

Thanks. Irish. Photos are a lot better than words.

2 other queries:
How can one tell period when there are no chevrons?
How to distinguish USCG from USN?

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If there is a "crow" and rate without the chevrons the rating badge would be incomplete or damaged. The petty officer rating badges should always have chevrons.
During the post WW1 period the USCG rating badges had white over red chevrons. During WW2 they were identical to USN rates. There were a few USCG specific rates not shared with the Navy.

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Originally Posted by Garth Thompson

If there is a "crow" and rate without the chevrons the rating badge would be incomplete or damaged. The petty officer rating badges should always have chevrons.
During the post WW1 period the USCG rating badges had white over red chevrons. During WW2 they were identical to USN rates. There were a few USCG specific rates not shared with the Navy.

Garth,

This is the only 'non-chevron' rate badge I have and interestingly is the only one that appears well-worn. All others are very white while the cloth of this one appears off-white, probably time-soiled.

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