27th Lancers on eBay

[Marcus H]

If anyone on this Forum is bidding for this very badge, it’s a 1970s, Gaunt restrike; overly priced at that, in my (subjective...I know) opinion.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F391949882094

I find it somewhat bizarre, in that lately I’ve observed (eBay) several WRC restrike and adulterated restrike emulations and even utter fakes sell for half-decent money!

Odd, as this Forum is still totally free to join.

Best,

Marcus

[seanhath]

Thank you Marcus.

This begs a question that I’ve never quite had a satisfactory answer to;
What exactly IS a restrike?

1. A badge made by the original maker, using a die from the past?

2. A badge made by a third party, using the original makers die?

3.A badge made by a third party using a copied die?

4. Something else?

Ostensibly options 1 and 2 might never be detected as ‘modern versions’, not necessarily being ‘fake’?

[fougasse1940]

Why not both 1 and 2?
Interestingly, the Forum's glossary fails to describe what a restrike is: http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/arm...erminology.htm

Rgds, Thomas

[Busy Bee]

Happy New Year.

The process of creating watertight definitions has taxed the minds of the great and the good since before The Doomsday Book was created. A re-strike, or fake, is anything which purports to be that which it is not.

Whether or not the deception is intentional is, in my view, irrelevant.

Discuss?

BB.

[grenadierguardsman]

I believe a restrike is a badge that wouldn't have been issued, ever. IMHO.
Andy

[seanhath]

I believe the intention to deceive is absolutely relevant, because authenticity is absolutely necessary to our collecting - isn’t it?

This leads me to question why a die would be kept and not destroyed post production, and should nostalgia be an acceptable answer, why would these dies be passed to a third party?

[seanhath]

Originally Posted by grenadierguardsman

I believe a restrike is a badge that wouldn't have been issued, ever. IMHO.
Andy

Wouldn’t that simply just be a fake?

[grenadierguardsman]

Originally Posted by seanhath

Wouldn’t that simply just be a fake?

Yes i suppose your right.
Andy

[seanhath]

I hope I’m not boring anyone - I’m interested in cementing an acceptable definition of a ‘restrike’ and how it differs (if at all) from a fake.



The ‘restrike’ question,
The star on the left is 100% original (it is one of the few Irish Guards stars I own that came with provenance to the 1950s, having belonged to a former Guardsman friend).
The star on the right is an unknown entity. I personally believe it is from the same die, long since past it’s best.
This fits my own definition of a ‘restrike’, while not necessarily ‘fake’ - it’s a sub standard badge by persons not committed to quality.
In the spirit of learning, your thoughts please.....

[grenadierguardsman]

Originally Posted by seanhath

I hope I’m not boring anyone - I’m interested in cementing an acceptable definition of a ‘restrike’ and how it differs (if at all) from a fake.



The ‘restrike’ question,
The star on the left is 100% original (it is one of the few Irish Guards stars I own that came with provenance to the 1950s, having belonged to a former Guardsman friend).
The star on the right is an unknown entity. I personally believe it is from the same die, long since past it’s best.
This fits my own definition of a ‘restrike’, while not necessarily ‘fake’ - it’s a sub standard badge by persons not committed to quality.
In the spirit of learning, your thoughts please.....

Whats the back look like ?
Andy

[seanhath]

Left is crisp and deep, right is not.

Sorry to Hi-jack this thread!
My ignorance to this question might otherwise help line the pockets of unscrupulous manufacturers of toot! I hazard a guess that i’m not alone.

[grenadierguardsman]

Originally Posted by seanhath

Left is crisp and deep, right is not.

Sorry to Hi-jack this thread!
My ignorance to this question might otherwise help line the pockets of unscrupulous manufacturers of toot! I hazard a guess that i’m not alone.

Yes the left is of better quality. What i will say is that those luged North and South are apparently Victorian.
Andy

[billy]

Sean a lot of dies escaped destruction leading to the copies/restrikes the best way is to hold the badge in natural light, and in the hand, feel the edges with your thumb (there shouldn't be sharp edges) look at the colour does it match the front? (If it is blackish /brown is a sign for chemical ageing?) Look at the lugs do these appear to have feet? (The ends of the metal used to make the loop are at 90 degrees to the lug and soldered in place)

On Slidered badges 1st W.W. have crimp marks (a faint mark left on slider when bent) this may of course be a hard crimp mark, or perhaps not even there? If it isn't is the slider tapered? Another 1st WW peculiaritie, some where cut down, bent out of shape to stop them sliding out! (But this bending the badge slider is being faked also!)

2nd WW had different sliders but taking everything mentioned above we all still get caught out! Hence the beaty of the Forum not all of us collect to the one badge, so with such a diverse range of collectors they have the real badge and know what isn't right about one that can be considered real by me or you, it could be as simple as a missing "full stop?)

Must go and hopefully others will add too or clarify where I may be missleading! All the best billy

[sketchley kid]

Re Lancers badge.........The seller does say it could be a re strike......I have always received good service from this seller.

[Frank Kelley]

I would not buy anything from that seller.

Originally Posted by Marcus H

If anyone on this Forum is bidding for this very badge, it’s a 1970s, Gaunt restrike; overly priced at that, in my (subjective...I know) opinion.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F391949882094

I find it somewhat bizarre, in that lately I’ve observed (eBay) several WRC restrike and adulterated restrike emulations and even utter fakes sell for half-decent money!

Odd, as this Forum is still totally free to join.

Best,

Marcus