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Old 11-06-17, 08:04 AM
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hey phil
the pic of the sigs display is in reply 4 on this thread
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Old 11-06-17, 09:45 AM
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Thanks Phil. I think the ones you are referring to are shown in post 4 of this discussion. Hope you have settled in ok, and I hope to get to that museum soon.(It's on my bucket list)
If you could let me know the days that it is open, and opening hours I would appreciate it.
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G'day Phil & BC

Yes that's the one and worn with the big flags from Circa 1904 till amalgamated with the Engineers prior to WW1. I will check that when at the museum next week,

Phil the museum is open on Tuesdays from about 10 am till about 2 pm. You will need to enter via the gate in Greensborough Rd and some one will have to come up to the gate to escort you to the museum. There's always a bed here and you can come with me if you want to. Drop me an email.

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Old 16-06-17, 09:08 AM
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guys,
while you visit the sigs museum, try and visit the 4/19th POWLHR museum just around the corner
http://www.cv.vic.gov.au/organisatio...-history-room/
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Old 17-06-17, 12:46 AM
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These are the badges that belonged to Cpt Edward W Downing
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Old 17-06-17, 03:40 AM
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These are the badges that belonged to Cpt Edward W Downing
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superb, thanks for sharing
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Old 17-06-17, 04:03 AM
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superb, thanks for sharing
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Thanks BC but it's me Rob I have been on the forum while Jack is O/S ATM he is in Amsterdam then back to London then home.

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G'day Phil & BC

Yes that's the one and worn with the big flags from Circa 1904 till amalgamated with the Engineers prior to WW1. I will check that when at the museum next week,

Phil the museum is open on Tuesdays from about 10 am till about 2 pm. You will need to enter via the gate in Greensborough Rd and some one will have to come up to the gate to escort you to the museum. There's always a bed here and you can come with me if you want to. Drop me an email.

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Well thanks very much Phil, thats very kind of you. I have not yet figured out when I will be able to travel to Melbourne. I will let you know.
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Old 18-06-17, 12:26 AM
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If I may ask is the museum open to the general public and what does it cover ?
Uniforms ,medals badges ?? and from what period.

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Hello Rob, It is my understanding that the museum is open to the general public, the other Phil (Lancer17) would know more about it because he volunteers there. As he has told me you have to be escorted from the gate. Only right I guess in this current climate.
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If I may ask is the museum open to the general public and what does it cover ?
Uniforms ,medals badges ?? and from what period.

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G'day Rob

yes the museum is open to the public but the problem is access as noted in my post to Phil above. Security is tight and my pass has expired and I will have to be escorted from the gate till I get a new pass.

I haven't been there for 6 months owing to moving home and Im told that it has been rearranged so I will post again in a day or so and give you the updated version.

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Old 21-06-17, 04:09 AM
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Hello all

I was at the sigs museum at Simpson Barracks, Watsonia yesterday and have made enquiries Re shoulder titles as worn by the Corps of Signals. Last night I spent a long time putting up a detailed post but when I went to submit the system had timed me out and would not load the post and it was lost for ever so I have to now start again. Not happy Jan !!

The only shoulder titles on display with the first pattern large crossed flags badge is the slightly curved SIGALLERS shoulder title as seen in the photo in post 4 above.

The museum produced a small leaflet on badges, that is currently out of print, however, this only shows cap badges and not shoulder titles.

However we do hold a manuscript copy of an un published book by Major Graham Donley, RFD, (Ret'd) titled Australian CORPS OF SIGNALLERS 1906 - 1912. The subject of badges and shoulder titles is dealt with in chapter 4 on Uniforms starting on page 56 and states in parts :-

"The uniforms to be worn were promulgated in Orders for Dress and Clothing Military Forces of the Commonwealth, 1906, embodying amendments made up to 30th June 1907."

"Regimental hat and collar badges were stated to be used by the Australian Corps of Signallers, but as will be seen in the following Chapter approval was not given to a design until late 1909 which meant that for over half of its life the Corps did not have approved regimental hat or collar badges."

The crossed flags type 1 hat badge is then illustrated and is stated to be 540mm high (actually 54mm) and it is noted that "The collar badges were identical to the hat badge, non-opposing and 380mm high." This should be 38mm, read all measurements without the 0 on the end.

The Shoulder Titles are then illustrated and are shown to be the letters CAS in brass and are stated to be 180mm high and 380mm wide, (that should read 18 x 38mm), they are curved down at the ends.

The buttons are shown to have the KE V11 cypher.

He further notes that "In the Bob Gray collection in the Army Museum of South Australia there are examples of the Shoulder Title both curved and straight. One example is straight and has the number "7" above, another curved with the number "4" above."

Under Dress Regulations the officers are shown to not wear shoulder titles.

However Warrant Officers, Non Commissioned Officers and Men wear

"1 Full Dress, Commonwealth Pattern"

"2 Service Dress, Warrant Officers," and

"3 Service Dress for Non Commissioned Officers and Men"

All are shown to all wear Shoulder Titles in brass the letters CAS .

So there you go, I think that this now puts this issue to bed !!

The museum does have the pre WW1 Signallers uniform of Capt EW Downing that has the small crossed flag collar badges and also one on the cap, however, it has no shoulder titles.

So there you have it, the original shoulder titles were the brass letters CAS. It should be noted that the museum does not have an example for me to photograph, also this manuscript does not mention the SIGNALLERS title as seen in the photograph in post 4 above.

The museum also has a large framed presentation that containes a number of photographs.one is a group of 17 men and 1 officer, surrounding this are the named photographs of some of the men. Some can be seen (with a magnifying glass) to be wearing a 4 over CAS shoulder title. This presentation is dated July 8th 1911 and is of No 4 troop Australian Corps of Signallers champions 1910-11 and is presented to Leiut EW Downing as a token of esteem.

Well there you have it, I hope that this will now settle this matter, however we are now all looking for a CAS shoulder title. Good luck. It should also be noted that Cossum in his Part 2, 1900 - 30 book lists both ACS and CAS titles but not SIGNALLERS and does not illustrate either.

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Phil.

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Old 21-06-17, 10:09 AM
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some museum pics
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Old 21-06-17, 10:14 AM
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Thanks BC I still cant post the pics.

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