42nd

[rmarsden]

Sports medallion engraved to the rear Phillips of Aldershot.
In unmarked silver a piedfort issue 3.7 mm thick & 21gms, perhaps a manufacturers sample.
1st Bn stationed in Aldershot April 1913-August 1914.

[rmarsden]

Bronze sports medal reverse engraved "1951 inter-coy-tug-of-war runners up". The 1st Bn were part of the Berlin Garrison at this time.
This date is the latest I have seen of the 42 numerals being used on the star badge.

[rmarsden]

Large pipers belt clasp chrome plated, conjoined numerals on a 3x4 inch plate. Had to photograph at this angle to avoid reflection. 1980s.

[rmarsden]

The pipe-majors version of the above clasp.

[rmarsden]

1"X 1.1/2" brass numerals conjoined at the base.

[jf42]

Would that have been worn on the plain 'Kilmarnock' forage cap until supercededby the Glengarry?

[rmarsden]

JF yes I belive so, whether it should be worn with a sphinx above I'm not sure.
Ron.

[jf42]

Strictly non-regulation, surely, but then with the 42nd the normal rules do not apply.

[rmarsden]

William IV 42nd officers cast silver plaid brooch.
Small levee dress brooch 2.3/4 inch diameter with raised thistle decoration on a matted ground surmounted with a thistle star. The reverse with hallmarks for Birmingham 1835 William IV duty mark a maker JW (Joseph Willmore). The brooch has an evenly toned blueish patina. The 42nd stationed in Corfu 1834-6.

[rmarsden]

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by jf42

Strictly non-regulation, surely, but then with the 42nd the normal rules do not apply.

Great picture, JF, that I have seen in VWF too (I forget if you posted it). I think that it probably dates from the very end of the Kilmarnock (original type) era, as I feel sure I have seen the 42 on earlier images?

[jf42]

Yes, Toby, it was indeed 'shared' from VWF, but not my original post.

I think your suggested date would be about right. The 42nd were in India for about ten years following the Mutiny and there are photos from circa 1864 showing both band members and company soldiers in white drill jackets and plain Kilmarnock bonnets with the Black Watch star and saltire badge on the front. Those shown wearing a red doublet are wearing the feather bonnet.

They only adopted the plain glengarry on their return to Britain, round about the time it became universal undress headgear throughout the infantry and certain corps.

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by jf42

Yes, Toby, it was indeed 'shared' from VWF, but not my original post.

I think your suggested date would be about right. The 42nd were in India for about ten years following the Mutiny and there are photos from circa 1864 showing both band members and company soldiers in white drill jackets and plain Kilmarnock bonnets with the Black Watch star and saltire badge on the front. Those shown wearing a red doublet are wearing the feather bonnet.

They only adopted the plain glengarry on their return to Britain, round about the time it became universal undress headgear throughout the infantry and certain corps.

Thanks, JF, that had been my assessment too. It makes sense also, that a similar, star shaped badge was then adopted for the glengarry.

[rmarsden]

JF/Toby,
Oak statue by Pilkington Jackson was displayed in SUSM Edinburgh Castle in the 1920s. He was the supervising sculptor of the Scottish National War Memorial. Showing star badge 1851.

[Jeff Mc William]

Hi Ron (and all),
The following extract from WO359/1 p373 may be of interest :

"3rd Feby 1865.
For the future the 42nd Foot are to have a Star on the Forage Caps of Sergeants and Other Ranks instead of the '42' discontinued.
Star to be the same pattern as Scots Fusr Guards"

However, there is also another entry dated 14th March 1865 which gives the impression that a star was already being worn ?? Regards Jeff