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Old 27-07-14, 03:32 AM
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The bronze badge in question was indeed intended for NCOs in the RCNAS. The Officer's cap badge and pilot wing were indeed made, and do exist in extremely small numbers. I have found reference to a document that itemizes these badges and details their disposal at the discontinuation of the service, I am now in the process of chasing down the document itself
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Old 27-07-14, 08:35 AM
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I have scanned the only record from The Naval Historical Section
Canadian Forces Headquarters Department of National Defence
Ottawa about a RCNAS cap badge that was ever proposed
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Old 28-07-14, 05:55 PM
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I came across some information to share from

The World of Military Wings - The Anglian Collection and a special thanks to Mike McLean for the data on the group photo

This extremely rare and beautiful set of Royal Canadian Naval Air Service badges belong to a friend of this site. He has graciously offered them for all to enjoy.
The RCNAS was suggested for ocean patrols from Nova Scotia in May 1918, Recruiting started in August 1918. Some were sent to MIT in the USA for training, in three groups of 20, during September and October 1918. 12 or 13 trained in England and 6 were serving as active airship coxwains. Initially there were 6 professional officers of the RAF , and one naval officer on duty, though more came on board in the following months. The question of uniform and badges was contentious as the UK ordered one style (RAF) but the Canadians desired a different version in navy blue and naval caps, with their own badges which also defied UK instructions. It is not known who made the badges presented and no paperwork has materialised for uniforms or badges. The Armistice of November 11th 1918 changed the perceived need for this force and the service stayed active only until December 4th 1918 when the cadets at MIT were dismissed and returned home , all except for three who were given the option of continuing to train in either Miami or Key West, Florida, which continued into 1919. The US contingents who had already been flying from Nova Scotia while the Canadians trained left there by January 1919. One officer remained on staff and it is believed that a small number of NCO and enlisted staff, wearing appropriate RCNAS uniforms and insignia, also remained at the Kelly Beach and Baker Point bases and some test flying of airctraft was done. The end came on December 16th 1919. The RCNAS was no more.

These badges belonged to Harold Curtis Williams. He attended the first RCNAS class sent to M.I.T in 1918. When the service was disbanded, he hadn't finished his training, and was discharged. It's interesting to note that there is a reprimand in his service file about cadets wearing the officer's badges for cap and the qualified aeroplane and airship pilot wing. It was ordered halted at once, with further consequences threatened if this practice continued. It is a puzzlement as to why cadets would already have the officer's cap badge and flying badge in their possession prior to commissioning. However this thought is offered by the current owner:

"I just took a glance through the service record of H C Williams......The last class was discharged/returned home on December 4th 1918. The Notice from the Naval Office demanding the immediate removal of breast badges from cadet's uniforms is dated Dec. 20th 1918.....And it refers to the service being defunct. As far as I can see, it looks like the guys at M.I.T may have given the badges out thinking "what's the point?" as the service ceased to be....Have you ever seen a picture of an officer wearing the badges? I certainly have not......"
Interestingly the outbreak of Spanish influenza at Boston on Thursday 19th September 1918 caused orders to be issued for the cadets to proceed to Boston on 20th September 1918 and to return to their homes on leave until further required and until the quarantine was lifted and other orders received.
This was the effective end of the Royal Canadian Naval Air Service.

Williams had enlisted via telegram from Goderich to Toronto, was accepted and mustered in Toronto before being sent to the States. After disbandment, Williams returned to Goderich Ontario. Never re-entered the armed services.


Note: The group photo seems to be wearing the Canadian General list cap badge
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Old 28-07-14, 08:04 PM
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To amend some of the above information, as I have received new data since I sent this to Chris for his page:

There were three classes of 20 cadets each sent to the US. 12 Went to England to train on airships and 9 more were recruited, but the service was cancelled before they became active. The 6 Airship Coxswains were not cadets, but rather drawn from the RNAS and Seconded to the RCNAS at the request of Flight Commander J Barron RNAS.
The two established bases of the RCNAS were manned by a United States Naval Aviation contingent, under the charge of Lt. Richard E. Byrd, who would later become famous as Admiral Byrd the Antarctic Explorer. These US aviators would carry out numerous hours of flying time on both seaplanes and kite balloons, searching for submarines and escorting convoys bound for Europe.

I am still searching for more information on the badges, and one day, I will find it, that I promise!
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To amend some of the above information, as I have received new data since I sent this to Chris for his page:

There were three classes of 20 cadets each sent to the US. 12 Went to England to train on airships and 9 more were recruited, but the service was cancelled before they became active. The 6 Airship Coxswains were not cadets, but rather drawn from the RNAS and Seconded to the RCNAS at the request of Flight Commander J Barron RNAS.

I am very fortunate in that I have the medal group to Flight Commander(RNAS)& Captain(RAF) J.A. Barron.
John Barron, in addition to being Canada's first qualified Airship Pilot in March 1915, was also the first officer to be formally entered into the RCN when it was formally established in May 1910. He had been originally one of the small group of 7 cadets who received training on board RMS Canada in anticipation of the formation of the RCN. I will photo his group & other items I have for him & post in this section eventually.

I have attached a photo of the original cadets on board Canada, including a closeup of John Barron & beside him, future CNS Admiral Nelles.

& if any member has the shoulder board insignia the cadets are wearing pls feel free to show it here, I have never seen one!

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