Another Interesting Item, Can You Identify

[Lionheart]

I have another iteresting item I have just acquired and would like help in identifying if possible please.

This is a nice leather belt with an inbuilt loop.

The Badge appears to me to be a Queen Vic crown but is quite large at 9.5 cm height x 5 cm at its widest point.

Markings are : D Masons & Sons, Q & M 1885, Birmingham
and W-D with Arrow

Condition is great, it really is almost and dare I say it, Nice almost.

It the back of my memory I would think it is possibly NSW but I don't know and hopefully someone here can help please.

Thank you

[magpie]

Could it be the part of the harness that holds the tail up and out of the way.
Andy

[Lionheart]

Originally Posted by magpie

Could it be the part of the harness that holds the tail up and out of the way.
Andy

Maybe but I think the location of the Badge would be a little strange then...

[Old Smelly]

Originally Posted by magpie

Could it be the part of the harness that holds the tail up and out of the way.
Andy

I thought harness too, if that's what it is it would buckle to the back of the saddle
Lee

[Lionheart]

Originally Posted by Old Smelly

I thought harness too, if that's what it is it would buckle to the back of the saddle
Lee

Well two up.maybe it is........with respect to you guys I am not totally convinced yet....

[magpie]

I'm looking at the shape of the loop and not just saddles But carriage or wagon harness.
Andy

[Lionheart]

Originally Posted by magpie

I'm looking at the shape of the loop and not just saddles But carriage or wagon harness.
Andy

Yep but the loop is not really that large...and the Badge is quite large....any idea who used it at all?

[Phil2M]

May be of some interest http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/D._Mason_and_Sons

[Lionheart]

Thank you very much Phil...

[zob]

Hi,

Just for the record these badges are generally referred to in the military as: “Martingales”, and were worn on the harness at the horse’s breast.

mar•tin•gale also mar•tin•gal

1. The strap of a horse's harness that connects the girth to the noseband and is designed to prevent the horse from throwing back its head.

Regards,

Zob.

[Donny B.]

I am with magpie and old smelly. It looks like a crupper to me. The horse's tail goes through the loop and the strap attaches to the saddle to stop it sliding forward.

Donny B.

[1stTankie]

Hi Lionheart

I agree with Donny. It's a crupper. It looks after the back end of the horse rather than the front.

Best wishes

Gordon

PS Not a problem we had with tanks.

[Lionheart]

Originally Posted by zob

Hi,

Just for the record these badges are generally referred to in the military as: “Martingales”, and were worn on the harness at the horse’s breast.

mar•tin•gale also mar•tin•gal

1. The strap of a horse's harness that connects the girth to the noseband and is designed to prevent the horse from throwing back its head.

Regards,

Zob.

Thank you Zob, your input is much appreciated. any ideas on the Unit or Service please?

[Lionheart]

Originally Posted by 1stTankie

Hi Lionheart

I agree with Donny. It's a crupper. It looks after the back end of the horse rather than the front.

Best wishes

Gordon

PS Not a problem we had with tanks.

Thanks Gordon, reminds me of us grunts when we would see a Tank, tank tank tank.etc

[magpie]

No pictures but.
Saddlery

Special pattern. Drum Pads. Stirrup Leathers.
Stirrup Leather Brass Ornaments (LG Officers). Stirrups (LG Officers).
Girth (Household Cavalry Officers). Surcingle (Household Cavalry Officers).
Special Ornamented Crupper, with Side Pieces.

http://www.householdcavalry.info/horsfurn.html#offlg

Andy