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Eagle Squadron Woolen & Round Woven Poplin variation
Hi all
I'm still learning the nuances of British WWII cloth insignia, so if I ask basic questions,please don't take offence. I have several questions regarding Eagle Squadron FS. The well known embroidered on woolen FS has been verified WWII era,my questions are: 1) Were they official or unofficial FS? The one pictured is paste back. 2) Are there any known legit foreign examples ie non British made? 3) Were they only manufactured up to and when they rejoined USAAF ie where there any late war made? Round variation:Woven poplin(?) 1) Has there been any reference to this style? 2) if this is a legitimate WWII era ES FS, would it have been official or unofficial? All opinions welcomed. cheers Phill |
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Hello Phil,not to hijack the thread and just to add some information to yuour questions,here are two photos from the IWM files.
Jo FRE 14123 US Eagle Squadron personnel shaking hands with RAF airmen http://media.iwm.org.uk/ciim5/505/64/large_000000.jpg © IWM (CH 1442) Three American pilots of No. 71 (Eagle) Squadron RAF, Pilot Officers A. Mamedoff of Thompson, Connecticut, V. C. 'Shorty' Keough of Brooklyn, New York and G. Tobin of Los Angeles, show how their new squadron badge will look on Keogh's uniform at Church Fenton, Yorkshire. Mamedoff was formerly a stunt pilot in an air circus. Keough was a professional parachutist with 480 drops at the time this photograph was taken. Tobin was a commercial pilot who also did film work in Los Angeles.
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Sadly, neither Red Tobin, Shorty Keogh nor Andy Mamedoff lived to see the end of the war.
In fact, none of the three lived to see the USA come in to the war in December 1941.
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Thanks guys for the additional info, I did come across IWM files.
A friend and mentor of mine did interview Chelsey Preston back in the 70's before he passed, but no mention was made of the round woven poplin patch. So it remains a mystery!!! Phill |
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Hi Chaps,
Amazing to see these three chaps, great history and a wonderful images. Terrible sad of course that they did not survive long. Can I ask about 'Shorty'...if I'm reading it correct he was from Connecticut (where my wife is from) and it said 'VC'. I was under the impression the the VC could only be awarded to British servicemen. Could someone clarify these details for me? Cheerio, Roy
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About Pilot Officer Vernon Charles "Shorty" Keough....also spelled Keogh)
Jo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernon_Keogh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Mamedoff https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Tobin
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In this case the VC stands for his initials, Vernon Charles. I don't think it's true that a VC could only be awarded to British servicemen. Just men serving in the British forces. For example, the Dane Anders Lassen won a VC in Italy in April 1945: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Lassen
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Thanks for that,
Confusion cleared up..! Cheers, Roy
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