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Old 28-06-14, 01:47 PM
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I am pretty certain that this die cast bronze Liver Bird with lugs north and south is not military and may be a police item but can anyone positively identify it please.

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Old 28-06-14, 03:02 PM
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Hi Peter,
I had a W/M version of this badge (but I gave it to a LFC fan me being a nice Blue).
I am sure it is a Tram workers badge, not the later small chrome version the 5th Bn also wore? I had a link somewhere but cannot find it at the moment.
Will have another look later
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Old 28-06-14, 03:42 PM
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Thanks Paul,

Nothing quite like it ( as far as I can see ) on the Liverpool Police badge site:

http://liverpoolcitypolice.co.uk/#/i...ery/4552548389

Tram workers a possibility but the bronze seems a bit strange for them, perhaps for a ticket inspector ?

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Peter,

It is a badge which was worn by Sergeants in the Liverpool Parks Police above their chevrons. They were worn in pairs with the bird facing inwards. Post 1948 they were "chromed" and continued to be worn. They were also worn by various Corporation staff either on the collar or lapels depending on the style of uniform worn. This included tramway staff. White metal versions were worn by the City Police.

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Thanks Dave,

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Hi Peter,
I found the website www.birches.plus.com which has an image of the badge in B/W being worn by a Liverpool City Tram worker on his epaullette.
If you navigate to uniforms and then to H-N scroll down to Liverpool City Trams click on it, scroll down and you will find some images and you will see the guy with a truncheon in his hand.
Cannot tell if it is W/M or indeed Brass.
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Old 29-06-14, 06:06 AM
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Thanks Paul,

Also interesting to see the badge worn as an arm badge by 5th Kings there.

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Old 29-06-14, 06:44 AM
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Hi Peter,
No doubt a Tram Employee was a serving Territorial when the chrome badge was in use by the 5th Bn.
(I am too young to remember the Trams but their removal has left some nice Avenues in Liverpool)
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Paul,

I can remember putting pennies on the tram lines at the Pier Head so the trams would flatten them, I can also remember the last day of the trams and although I did ride on a tram on that day, it wasn't the "official " last tram which was painted white.

Its not so long ago that I thought the project to re introduce trams to Liverpool was making progress but now seems to have come to nothing.

If only they had kept the Overhead Railway, what a tourist attraction that would have been even without that many ships to see these days.

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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/British-Ar...3D182685834392

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A Liverpool Traffic Wardens cap badge worn from approx. 1964 through to 1974. The name on the slider appears to have been applied using individually stamped letters. Probably the name of the individual it was issued to.

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Was it also worn by police, or is this one of white metal?

http://liverpoolcitypolice.co.uk/com...4547281356.jpg
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No, it was not worn by the police. Their version was in white metal. The collection of insignia on that website belongs to me.

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Thanks button.
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A Liverpool Traffic Wardens cap badge worn from approx. 1964 through to 1974. The name on the slider appears to have been applied using individually stamped letters. Probably the name of the individual it was issued to.

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