Belt with badges WW1 13LH chap put together
 

Hi all
can any tell me abit about these badges on this belt which was put together by a chap in the 13th LH during his time in the war,any badges that stand out.

Thanks

What do you mean by "stand out"?

Stand out by rarity? Aesthetic appeal?

Mick

Both as I'm not a badge collector as such and these items belong to a group I have and I'm not well acquainted with British,NZ badges and was just curious as to which ones are more desireable .... but have no fear I do not indented to strip the belt.

I don't think there is anything overly rare or expensive there.

Some nice UK Cavalry and Yeomanry badges that I can see.

Mick

Hi Jackhr,
Great lot of badges you have shown, thanks. I mainly agree with Mick, however the large RUAHINE badge is valuable, about NZ$450.
I see a Royal Australian Air Force badge, it would date from a later period surely.
Cheers, Tinto

Yes I think he put that in there why I have no idea?Thanks for the info as I said I'm not a badge collector and just needed to know if there were any badges that would be sort after and expensive .RUAHINE badge can you enlighten me about this unit?

Thanks for your help mate

Jackhr,
The New Zealand unit, 17th (Ruahine) Regiment (Infantry) wore a smaller version on both hat and collars. They saw action at Gallipoli, France and Egypt during the First World War.
You have the larger helmet plate.
Tinto

Yep - The RAAF was formed after the war (1921 from memory).

Mick

I believe there is photo evidence of the large Ruahine badge being worn in the middle east in WW1 on the sun helmet so believe that was obtained in theatre

One of the better belts I've seen - as noted some nice yeomanry badges

No chance of getting a photo of the sun helmet? Thanks guys for your comments and any more info regarding some of the badges are welcomed.

Thanks again

Finally got the belt in my hands and have taken better pictures , there are all sorts of things on it badges,buttons,tokens? and a bullet .Regarding the RAAF badge as the were formed in 1921 and became RAAF in 1923 ( Royal ) would anyone have an idea what the RAAF badge would have looked for that time period?

From Wikipedia:

The Australian Flying Corps remained part of the Australian Army until 1919, when it was disbanded along with the First Australian Imperial Force (AIF). Although the Central Flying School continued to operate at Point Cook, military flying virtually ceased until 1920, when the Australian Air Corps (AAC) was formed. The Australian Air Force was formed on 31 March 1921. King George V approved the prefix "Royal" in June 1921 and became effective on 31 August 1921.

The AFC up to 1919 would have worn a Rising Sun badge.

Not sure when the RAAF KC hat badge came into being.

Mick

Here is a picture of the large Ruahine helmet plate being worn in the Middle East in WW1 ,by a New Zealand Private

Cheers Iain

Picture 4, the button below the Egyptian Railways button, is an Australian made button for Dutch East Indian forces during or after WWII.

Here is a Ruahine helmet plate worn on a service dress cap, circa August 1915 .Not uncommon to see volunteer period badges worn in New Zealand in WW1 ,prior to going overseas

Thanks for the photos and yes I see that he must have collected some items after WW1 into WW2 and later on also .

I see a New Zealand Rifle Brigade reinforcements Cap badge ,a good solid WW1 badge ,$75-$85 NZ

Thanks again any info like that is appreciated as far as the British,Canadian and NZ badges go I have no idea on value or rarity.

Is the Gloster TF one voided with 2 fretted holes under the blank plinth or is it unpierced?

Any chance of a close up on the Berkshire Yeomanry badge? Is it on lugs or slider? Thanks, Paul.

I assume this is the badge you asked about? 2 bent lugs.
Found another badge which I think you were referring to.

Jack

Sorry Alan not sure which one that is ? as I said I am not a badge man can you point it out :o

Thanks Tinto hope this is the badge ?

Hi Jackhr,
Alan means the badge that looks like this. Your one has a blank "EGYPT" plinth.
Cheers, Tinto

What is the difference between the two badges and why?

Cheers

Both solid and pierced variants exist but it is nice to see one with provenance. The blank scroll badge was introduced in 1908 and made until 1916 for wear by the 4th, 5th and 6th Territorial Force Battalions. Each battalion raised a duplicate Bn (2nd/4th, 2nd/5th and 2nd 6th) in 1914 and a 3rd each as depot/training bns in 1915.

In 1916 the TF battalions were told to adopt the Regular badges with the battlehonour. I suspect this had as much to do with efficiency in supply than rewarding the TF with a battlehonour they had been previously denied.

Hello Jackhr. Thank you for the extra pictures. The two blade fittings on the Berks Yeo badge are the type of fittings for an officers badge. The creature depicted is actually a chalk horse carved on a hill not far from me. Due to boundary changes it is now in Oxfordshire. https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/white-horse-hill
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uffington_White_Horse
The China Dragon badge is the Royal Berkshire Regiment who were infantry. Good to see a manufacturers variation that can be linked to The Great War period as the badge was in use for over 50 years. Regards, Paul.

Thank you both for the information on the badges I appreciate the reply's as I like to know the history about these items on the belt. Is there a reference book that would explain the different badges from WW1 from Britain? that I could purchase .

The Berkshire Yeomanry is a brass ORs badge which was supplied by the regt from 1908 which is why it has blades rather than the normal lugs or slider. There is an identical one in Bosleys' auction at the moment.

Thats interesting Alan. Are there other ORs badges known to have been made with blades? I am interested in Berkshire Yeomanry badges- do you have any further information regards their badges, are Bosleys identifying it as ORs due to known information or the quality or the badge? I think immediately before the Great War they may have been using the ORs Lambourne badge? Any information on BY badges of interest- strange if they went from 3 lug Imperial Yeomanry badge to blades. Regards, Paul.

I don't know exactly what Bosley's reasoning is.

I am not sure that Lambournes were a badge maker before WW1 but a wartime contractor who turned their machines to military use.

The Royal Gloucestershire Hussars Imperial Yeomanry cap badge was worn up until 1908. A very nice badge.

Thanks for the link , but is there a book that in that list that would be recommended?

Jack

Could you supply a link to the page in the auction please if possible??

Cheers Jack

http://mycommissionbid.com/bid/viewitem.php?id=62

Here you go.

Here are a couple of better pictures and the blade lengths are 20mm

British Army Cap Badges of the First World War by Doyle and Foster is a good start- they also did a similar book on Second World War Badges. Shop around and you may get a good deal- they are not expensive. Images used are not 100% good badges, but some or the more scarce badges are good examples. Pictures in colour. The bible of badges is still thought to be the 2 books by Kippling and King but these books are expensive- in black and white, small images. Published originally in the 1970s I think. The book by Cox is a good book but does have some mistakes and fake badges shown- also has Australia, NZ, SA, Canada, India etc badges of the Great War. Regards, Paul.

Thankyou:)

John Gaylor's Military badge collecting is a good entry level book.

Rgds, Thomas.

Thanks