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erracht 17-02-08 12:16 AM

Scottish units - WWII
 
Hi all - looking for posts of Scottish insignia (tartan especially) worn on BD in original photos. Using these in some research of mine, so if you've got photos of WW2 Scots in uniform, please post. Will try to add some myself to show what I'm looking for.

Peter Brydon 17-02-08 10:40 AM

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Interesting thread,
I look forward to seeing some examples.
Whilst not what you are after I am attaching a photo of the Liverpool Scottish drummers in 1939. I have one of the actual kilts being worn in the photo.

P.B.

erracht 17-02-08 03:05 PM

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Here's a photo - Lt.-Col. J.G. Dawson, OC 7/9th Royal Scots
Good view of 52nd (L) formation sign and Hunting Stewart tartan flash

fougasse1940 18-02-08 12:38 PM

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Maybe not quite what you're looking for, as it isn't actually on a battledress.
But it is definately WWII vintage and original, and came in a collection of badges including Seaforth's, KOSB and Black Watch cap badges.
Never seen this method of combining tartan & divisional patch anywhere else.
I would be interested to know more about it.

Regards,

fougasse1940.

erracht 18-02-08 03:38 PM

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Glad you posted it!! Original examples are also very welcome. This is the sleeve flash from the 6th Bn Highland Light Infantry. Scan of mine is below, along with a similar one from the 4/5th Bn Royal Scots Fusiliers.

fougasse1940 18-02-08 05:49 PM

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Thanks for clearing that up, I always figured it to be Seaforth's.
These probably are.

erracht 18-02-08 06:31 PM

Seaforth vs. HLI
 
Indeed they are. One general rule of thumb concerning sleeve flashes - the HLI (less 9th Bn) wore the flash with the white overstripe vertical; the Seaforths (less the 5th & 6th Bns) wore the flash with the red overstripe vertical.

Dean

fougasse1940 18-02-08 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by erracht (Post 3413)
Here's a photo - Lt.-Col. J.G. Dawson, OC 7/9th Royal Scots
Good view of 52nd (L) formation sign and Hunting Stewart tartan flash

Shouldn't he oficially be wearing the tartan flash above the div. sign?

Fougasse1940

erracht 18-02-08 08:49 PM

As per officialdom I would suppose so, but some Scots Bns wore the flash below the formation sign. As best I can tell, the tartan flash was supposed to replace the cloth titles, but some placed it where other Regimental insignia was supposed to be applied - below the arm of service strip.

Some Scots units that wore the tartan below were: 7/9th Royal Scots; 5th Seaforths; 2nd Glasgow Highlanders; 2nd Cameron Highlanders; most of the Black Watch Bns; 6th RSF; 11th RSF; 2nd Cameronians.

erracht 19-02-08 04:23 PM

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Here's two more photos: on the left is a Pte. in the Highland Light Infantry - unfortunately with no formation signs, etc. I can not ID the Bn. On the right is a Pte. in the 2nd Seaforths - interestingly enough he wears the arm of service stripe ABOVE the 51st Div flash...

reinoudmilitary 27-03-08 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by erracht (Post 3512)
As per officialdom I would suppose so, but some Scots Bns wore the flash below the formation sign. As best I can tell, the tartan flash was supposed to replace the cloth titles, but some placed it where other Regimental insignia was supposed to be applied - below the arm of service strip.

Some Scots units that wore the tartan below were: 7/9th Royal Scots; 5th Seaforths; 2nd Glasgow Highlanders; 2nd Cameron Highlanders; most of the Black Watch Bns; 6th RSF; 11th RSF; 2nd Cameronians.

Thanks for this information!!

About the Royal Sott Tartan patch on the left and right sleeves does the yellow stripe point to the front?
And I'd like to know what colour the service strips of the 7th/9th Royal Scots was.

Many thanks

Floris

erracht 27-03-08 01:53 PM

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Actually, I believe the tartan was not worn as a facing pair in 7/9th RS. The yellow overstripe was worn upper right to lower left; the red stripe was upper left to lower right - same orientation on both arms.

As to the arm-of-service stripes, they are in the colour of the Infantry - scarlet (one per sleeve, being in the senior brigade of the Division).

Hope this helps a bit.

Dean

reinoudmilitary 27-03-08 04:38 PM

nice
 
Hello Dean,

That's a great example on the picture! Just what I need.

In a book covering the liberation of Flushing (where I live) there's a picture of a Royal Scot who has the tartan patch on the left arm also the way you told.
And on the picture in this thread from CO Dawson , the tartan patch on the right arm is also the same way.
So you must be right , not as a facing pair.

Do you perhaps know if they just cut the patch and sewed it on the sleeve or did they fold the edges of the cloth patch?

Many thanks,

Floris

BWEF 27-03-08 04:43 PM

My avatar is of a couple of members of the 15th Scottish Division taken "somewhere in Germany" in April '45.

It is too large to post here, but I can email it if interested.

erracht 27-03-08 08:13 PM

Hi Floris,

As near as I can tell from the few photos I've seen, I would say they cut their tartan flashes. However, this may not have always been the case. I've seen other examples (from other Regiments) where some flashes were folded, some were cut.

I know this makes it clear as mud - sorry I can not be more definitive.

Dean


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