Pre territorial glengarry URGENT OPINIONS PLEASE!
 

Dear forum

Opinions urgently sought! As it is up for sale today

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Right or wrong?

Detail looks good lugs north and south always a good sign.

Only concern is with the lug material are they supposed to be brass and not copper? Or am I looking at brass lugs that are showing there age help! :confused:

Good morning Kingsman
I don't claim to be any kind of expert on glengarry badges, but I have some and seen lots of others and your post appears to be of a good badge.

In respect of the copper lugs, Yes I agree that the held opinion is that they should have brass lugs. HOWEVER, as it happens, at yesterdays Bosley's auction there was a Glengarry badge to the 68th (DLI).

It was from The Hugh King Collection and had copper lugs and was described in the catalogue with copper lugs.

Are Bosleys going to sell a copy.?????????:)

I had a look at it to compare it to mine as the one I have has copper lugs and it appears the same; so perhaps the belief that brass lugs are a necessity may need to be re considered.

I did notice that some of the other Hugh King Glengarry badges also had copper lugs.

Hope this helps......but it's probably made it more confusing.:o

Regards
Brian

Hello Gents,

There is further discussion on these badges including views on Hugh King's involvement with PT Glengarries that may be of interest in this thread:

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...gade+glengarry

Regards to all.

Ry

Glengarry badges
 

Could it be that the Glengarry badges with copper loops were the ones made by Fox in the early 1900's?

Rob

Having read the replies, (thanks gents) and consulted the Forum History and reviewed again several of the texts I once considered gospel (dangerous I know) :D

I have distilled the information down to:

I was always told that lugs east and west = Fox's restrikes avoid like the plague PTG lugs should be north and south. However Mr. King sold PTG with lugs east and west as okay:confused:

Recently I have encountered a belief that lugs should be brass or gilding metal and not copper, yet there are no sealed patterns or official doccuments to corroborate any of this:mad:

Hardly any subject matter texts agree and to add insult to injury I have recently been shown two PTG in a local regimental museum, passed down through the regiment when they ceased to be worn. One is lugged E&W one N&S and both have copper lugs! :eek:

So small round spherical objects (thats balls to you missus) if it looks old enough, smells old enough feels old enough and pleases me I am going to buy the bloody thing! Providing the price is right of course:p

Thanks for the input past and present dont think anyone will ever get a definitive answer on this one.

Paul

Im'e with Fatherofthree on this one, I don't think that all of them with copper lugs are wrong I also don't believe that every example with lugs east west is wrong, However lugs North south in brass is a very good general rule to follow but there is no substitute for handling lots of them over time and getting a feel for what the distinctive yellow brass looks like after years of use and hundreds of years of natural oxidization ,The Fox ones unless buffed up should not show too much natural wear as they were obsolete, Kevin

Yes. I think its a "good-un" too. As Kevin says, there are no hard and fast rules here, tho' of course N-S brass lugs on these garter badges are a good sign, as is the weight. It should be about 21g give or take. Best of luck with your bid Kingsman. Jeff

Did you get it??