Variations of the Queen's Royal Irish Hussars in A/A
 

Hi Guys,

As we know there are two versions of this badge - do we known when and why they changed and do we have any official documentation authorising this change?

Regards

Chris

I believe that it was changed to create more emphasis on the harp part of the badge.Collar badges of both patterns exist as well.
As for a date i havent a clue.
The regiment came into existance in 1958,so probaly within 5 years of formation.May have been similar to what the Light Dragoons did(adding the blue to the centre of the badge).

QRIH
 

Hi gents,

If you have a look at this thread it will eventually lead you to some pertinent info on the QRIH badges / collars.

Regards

Ry

Hi Ry,

Can you post the link please.

Regards

Chris

Very sorry gents,

Tiredness got the better of me.

Here is the link, QRIH is from post #22 on hope it helps a little.

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...hussars&page=2

Ry

Thanks Ry,

Looks like cap and collar badges were changed but does anyone know when and why?

REgards

Chris

K&K gives no date but describes and illustrates the first pattern as Fig 1898 then says "An improved anodised design of the above (Fig 1899)."

John Gaylor says "The first badge was flat, struck in one process, but a couple of years later another badge appeared with harp and royal crest superimposed on the title band. This suceeded in making the old 4th Hussars part of the badge more obvious."

So no actual dates specified but we might assess that the QRIH formed in 1958 with a first pattern badge and the second pattern was introduced around 1960?

Anyone got a sealed pattern of either?

Thanks Grey_Green_Acorn,

I'm thinking early 1960's for the former with a sealing date of 10th July 1957 and List of Changes entry of 31st May 1959. This would then give the latter a mid 1960's date of introduction.

Seems to have been a redesign then - carried out at Regimental level perhaps?

Regards

Chris

Hi Guys,

Taking this one stage further - I don't really hold with Gaylor and the 4th Hussars bit.

What is different is the scroll. The earlier has two arrows and a dot (or is this some sort of bow) in the scroll beneath the harp while the later does not. What do these arrows and dot signify and why were they not carried over into the new badge?

Regards

Chris

The 2 arrows and a dot are most probably a stylised laurel wreath. Look at a Life Guards badge for the same thing. The minor design change was probably a CO's whim and there are lots of other examples of the same thing happening even today.

The pattern of the scroll in the 2nd design is the same as the old 4th Hussars scroll,where as the 1st bears no resemblance.
Is there not a sealed pattern date for the 2nd pattern in either K&K or Taylor ?

Sorry, no sealed pattern dates given in either K&K, Taylor or Gaylor for the first or second pattern badges.

Marvellous:(

Chris

although this info. will not help identify a change date for what its worth the 3rd edition of Edward's Regimental Badges published in 1963 illustrates the first pattern badge as the badge in use.

John

Thanks John,

This is worth noting as when it comes to A/A badges the books by Edwards are the only ones I have any confidence in - Edwin Forrest is very good too but for different reasons. The 6th Edition from 1974 that I have has the later version of this badge.

Regards

Chris