Makers "Bagged" Mottoes thread.
 

Hi All

If you have a modern Motto that is still in its bag or its bag is with it still .......could you post an image of it here. Some makers might not have the NSN or any information on the bag ..... but please post it anyway :) {IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE AA EITHER}

First example with bag info on it :-
http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ictureid=49209

A/A Other Ranks - MOD Issue
Makers Mark : FIRMIN (Fat Firmin mark)
Regiment : Queen's Royal Lancers

FIRMIN & SONS LTD
NSN: 8455-99-973-9382
DESC: QUEENS ROYAL LANCERS CAP
CONT NO: 54039
PATT NO: 18552
DATE: 05/08/08
PROD CODE: 32QROLAN-CAP-VH-AA1-455

....from JSP 768 (Thanks Mike_2817)

Officers Pattern 30056 shown in the top right corner....
http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ctureid=103999

Both seen in Col R Hodge's book below.... ORs Pattern 18552 above and Officers Pattern 30056 below with their collars.

Here is a poor shot of 9382

Tim

Tim

Any chance of all the info typed out and a better pic front and back :) Also, whats the mark on the slider?

Thats Pattern no 18552 again..... date: 10/03/79? or 09? ..... if its '09 I expect to see the fat Firmin mark.

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Griff,
The picture I posted is of an item NOT in my collection
However, I have this one:

FIRMIN & SONS LTD
NSN 8455999739382
DESC QUEENS ROYAL LANCERS CAP BADGE
CONT NO DC7AESL/4183 ITEM 11
FINISH SILVER ANODISED PATT NO18557
SIZE: DATE 21/08/06
PROD CODE 37QROLAN-CAP-VHAA1-155

Slider is marked FIRMIN (and lookd "fat")


Tim

Thats great Tim :) Still the same Pattern Number 18552 (see below)... thats good to see.

Also Product code = 32QROLAN-CAP-VH-AA1-455

If the thread progresses we should be able to go back in time and document the "back" changes in the AA motto. The Motto in that bag is identical to the 2008 bagged motto I have. Hopefully someone will have the "Old" Firmin AA Motto bagged and we will be able to see its pattern number.

Tim

This is what I can make out from the image you posted in post #3

FIRMIN & SONS LTD
NSN 8455-99-973-9382
DESC QUEEN'S ROYAL LANCERS CAP BADGE
CONT NO DC*A E5** *18 Item 12
FINISH A/A SILVER PATT NO: 18552
Date **/08/09 <----?
PROD CODE 37QROLAN-CAP-VHAA1-455

QRL Officers SD Cap Motto (Mint in bag)
"Brass base, nickel plated then silver plated"
Looped E/W with cotter pin

On the bag:-
FIRMIN & SONS PLC
NSN 8455-99-130-3556
Desc: 17/21st LANCERS OFFICERS CAP BAD
FINISH: D. SILVER PLATE
Cont No: UC2C/3078 Item: 1
Patt No: 30056
Date: 26/11/04
product Code: 401721LA-CAP-SH-DSB-455

Other Ranks AA
"fat" Firmin mark

FIRMIN & SONS LTD
NSN 8455-99-973-9382
DESC QUEENS ROYAL LANCERS CAP
CONT NO DC38/3520 Item 9
FINISH: A/A SILVER
PATT NO: 18552
DATE 23/09/10
PROD CODE: 37QROLAN-CAP-VHAA1-455

Griff, if it helps your project, as promised find attached my Motto selection - including the two Firmin bags.

...and the rest...

Thanks Bess.... its the bagged ones that I am after :)

* I note an interesting LB&BCoLtd that I dont have though.

I am hoping that some early bags will turn up 60s 70s 80s 90s so we can see the slider marks and back images. I am not sure if all the makers "bagged" them up like Firmin did?

Griff,
I picked up some new Firmin badges from a surplus store a couple of years ago (HAC and a couple of Corps from memory) and they were wrapped in thin white tissue paper sealed with clear tape. I'm sure you know what I mean.

Bess

Officers S/P SD Cap
QRL

FIRMIN & SONS LTD
NSN 8455-99-130-3556
Desc: 17/21st LANCERS OFFICERS CAP BAD
FINISH: DSILVER BURNISH
Cont No: DC3B/3520 Item: 2
Patt No: 30056
Date: 19/06/13
Product Code: 401721LA-CAP-SH-DSB-455