real or fake RCN Officers badge
 

have any of you lads know what this cap badge is-its been sold as a canadian navy officers badge on ebay--I personaly have never seen this badge on anyone

First this has a Kings Crown, both edges show some kind odd wear, do you have a Link to the add on "The Big E"?
any pictures of the Back?

Looks Rinky Dink:confused:



This Is the Real Deal! From 1914-1952.

http://mpmuseum.org/rcn/insignia/kcofr1.jpg

http://mpmuseum.org/rcnbadge.html

Its a Canadian Coast Guard badge & its a modern repro.

Bryan

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...%3DI%26otn%3D1
the back of the badge is william scully and bids of over 200.00 us

WOW I'm left speechless:confused: you Bid $200.00 on that ?:eek:


This is an original Canadian Navy Officers Cap Badge. I'm very confused Lol

Mr Bill Can you help? Lol.

no I Did NOT bid on this badge----I may be old but not crazy

Not my area of expertise. But, I make this comment. There is a lot to be said for research before putting out a significant sum of money on a badge.

First all I did was ask since I just saw you post a picture of the Back figured it was yours since you had a Picture of the Back.

You need to be a little Crazy to be sane;):D

It sold for US$ 202.50...........:eek::confused:..
Jo

Hello,

According to this source : Cap badges & insignia of the RCN,RCAF & CAF 1953-1977 – Roy Thompson (vol.4)

this badge referenced Q179 (p. 69) is for CANADIAN COAST GUARD 1st Type

Between 1936 and 1962, the canadian coast guard service was called MARINE SERVICE and part of the Department of Transport.
The booklet shows a post-1953 badge, so this one could be a 1936-1952 pattern.
In my humble opinion, this 200$-baby is not a total repro (maybe someone did change only the crown ?)
Now waiting for the winner's opinion ...

a+

Pics related to the subject :
= doc source
= Badge Q179
= a 'dismounted' badge ready for repair or transformed into 'semi-fake' (do you have a word for 'bidouille' ?)

a+

One has to be very very careful with these so called 2WW period Naval cap badges. In the day, Scully produced them by the hundreds, many bear their label on the reverse. Many of them did not sell & were released in the 80's & '90's & are good badges, most at least have some age patina. This example under discussion looks very very new to me.

All of the RCN 2WW period cap badges have been reproduced, most are very obvious to any experienced collector. I have seen may of them at Southern ON shows over the past few yrs, more so in the past 2-3 yrs. Many of the repros bear the Scully label on the reverse, this label has apparently been repro'd & aged as well to make the badges appear authentic to the period.

At S. ON shows in the past couple yrs there has been a vendor selling ALL repro badges of various nations {mostly UK, Can, & Nazi}, they are all modern looking & would not fool any collector with minimal experience. But more & more of them are being put out on the market by this vendor. & they are selling! I have had at least two collectors come to me at the last Etob show asking me if the badges they bought were actually good to the period!

You really need to examine the badge in hand & up close to know.
Obviously someone felt this was a genuine badge & it may well be, & if he is happy with his purchase then so be it!

Bryan

Possibly the buyer thought he was getting an early Department Of Fisheries and Marine cap badge. The Officers and Petty Officers badges are pretty much identical to proper RN/RCN badges, but with the addition of CANADA under the Crown.

hello,
the 'life' of these auxiliary services are not so easy to trace !
Compilation of sources could be resumed so :

- for COAST GUARD branch :
1867 – Department of Marine & Fisheries
1868 – Marine Service
1930 – Department of Marine
1936 – 1952 Department of Transport - Marine Service ( possible badge on top of this post)
1953 – 1962 Department of Transport - Marine Service (change of crown - pic 1)
1962 – Department of Transport - GARDE COTIERE - COAST GUARD (pic 2)
1995 – Department of Fisheries & Oceans (Pêches et Océans Canada) - GARDE COTIERE - COAST GUARD (pic 3)

.../...

.../...

for the FISHERIES SERVICE – GESTION des PECHES :

1867 - 1884 Department of Marine & Fisheries (same origin as Coast Guard service) badge infos requested ...
1930 - 1952 Department of Fisheries (pic 1)
1953 – 1969 Department of Fisheries (pic 2)
1969 - 1971 Department of Fisheries and Forestry
1971 - 1976 Department of the Environment
1976 - 1979 Department of Fisheries and the Environment
Fisheries & Marine Services Branch (pic 3)
1979 - > Department of Fisheries and Oceans - "Fisheries and Oceans Canada" - Fisheries & Aquaculture Management - Gestion des Pêches et de l’Aquaculture (pic 4)

If this could help to avoid confusion ...