Which Regiments, please?
 

I think we have Royal Fusiliers and at least one other regiment in the attached photograph. Can anyone ID any badges or pagri flashes, please?

I have seen a description of the 2/3rd London Regiment at the IWM here, but I wondered if there were any other possibilities.

Many thanks,

Chris

Is the officer standing left wearing trews, possibly the one sitting left?

That's the famous Desert Tartan Shadow:D
Paul

Ah yes - presumably that stick next to his leg is a desert clock.

The Pagri flash appears to be a two tone square, divided diagonally.

Many thanks to everyone for their comments. I have looked at all the regular battalions of the Royal Fusiliers and there is only one which had a similar sounding patch / flash.

2nd Battalion Royal Fusiliers

Interestingly, they were in the same Division as the 2/3rd Londons at Gallipoli. I wonder if there was some conscious mimicry on the part of the 2/3rd Londons. The 2nd Bn. RF patch is described as worn centrally on the back in Infantry Divisions, Identification Schemes, 1917, By Mike Hibberd

Given the descriptions, I think it seems more likely to be the 2/3rd Londons.

Did the London Regt. RF officers wear a small 'T' on the lapel? I don't remember seeing it in pictures.

Chris,

You can just about make out the 'T' in this picture:

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ctureid=129675

Cheers,

JT

Hopefully some clearer close-ups.

I hope that is not a thin coloured line in the middle of the diagonally bisected square... because that'll ruin all my theories. :(

Thanks, JT. You're right, you can. That is food for thought. I'd better start searching for some more pictures.

Many thanks for that.

Chris

I have found some photos which perhaps show that the London Rgt RF did not always wear the small 'T':

LIEUTENANT WILLIAM HAMO VERNON, 4 BATTALION, LONDON REGIMENT (ROYAL FUSILIERS)

2 LIEUTENANT A G SHARP, 4 (CITY OF LONDON) BATTALION, LONDON REGIMENT (ROYAL FUSILIERS)

LIEUTENANT CECIL GEORGE OPPITZ, 3 BATTALION, LONDON REGIMENT (ROYAL FUSILIERS)

Captain William Norman Towse

That said, what do you reckon to this?

Thanks again to JT for his example as it prompted me to look harder.

Just for comparison, the 1/2nd Londons in Malta, 1914. From 2nd City of London Regiment (Royal Fusiliers) in the Great War, 1914-19, By Major W. E. Grey

"Small red and black rectangle vertically bisected
History note
Worn as helmet patch"
1/2nd Battalion London Regiment Battalion patch, IWM

Chris,

If it helps, here is another RF officer with 'T' collar badge just visible:

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ctureid=144533

Regards,

JT

That's very helpful indeed, thanks very much.

I don't know if it means anything, but many of the pictures I have seen recently seem to show the 'T' worn in conjunction with a smaller type of fusilier grenade (though not in JT's first example, I don't think). Where an officer is wearing the larger type of grenade, the 'T' often seems to be absent. Perhaps that might be an indicator in photographs?

I had better try and look for some more examples.

Cheers,

Chris

Chris,

The example I sent you (off forum) showing the officer wearing the cap badge-sized grenades in conjunction with the 'T':

Attachment 177996

JT